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CHQ Operation And CAT II  
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

With the fog having rolled into IAH very thick for a second straight morning it brings me to thinking of the CHQ operation that will start in Janurary 2007 as they take on some routes for CO as a regional replacing some ExpressJet aircraft.

ExpressJet has CAT II operations and it got me thinking of the possible delays/canceled flights due to weather when the foggy winter mornings happen in Houston. I would not expect CHQ to be CAT II capable on day 1 of their operation but it begs the asking.

The question is, does anyone know if CHQ is certified for CAT II or III operations with their current fleet and if they expect to ramp up CAT II operations with the CRJ's they will be operating under the CO contract flying?

Thanks in advance for any help.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2307 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2425 times:

Good question. This morning was another one where we had the delays to I and II aircraft into IAH (and alot of other airports). With them operating so Express flights to busier airports (such as MSP...though havent seen many delays to Minny). I wonder what delays they'll cause if they are not Cat II equipped/trained LEAVING IAH for other airports.

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

I don't think CHQ's ERJ are CAT II equiped, and it would cost millions to update them.


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
I don't think CHQ's ERJ are CAT II equiped, and it would cost millions to update them.

I didn't think they were either, and if that is the case I can't see them spending the $$'s to put that capability on the CRJ's they will use for the CO contract. Looks like yet another possible loss for the passengers with this changing of the regional contract from ExpressJet!



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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Thanks for bringing that up. It's true, no CAT II for CHQ. I almost had to shoot one into IAH thursday night. RVR was good but ceilings 200 ovc with 1/2 mile vis. Ended up spending 50 hours in MSP because my whole schedule for the 3 day got cx'ed, except for the first leg to MSP and the last leg back on day 3.

Anywhoo.....yeah, this sucks for continental customers but hey, maybe their ticket will be .0001 cents cheaper, so I guess it's not so bad. *sarcasm*


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

i'm not sure, but i don't think that they're certified for Cat II ops. i'll find out next time i'm at work...


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 4):
yeah, this sucks for continental customers but hey, maybe their ticket will be .0001 cents cheaper, so I guess it's not so bad. *sarcasm*

Oh for sure, and I can't believe that the ops folks at CO have not spent hours looking at hitorical data for airprots that ExpressJet flew into and the % of lower than CAT I ILS mins, and compared those cx flights or delays to see what that costs the company. It's not like the is going to be stuck at RVR being stuck at 1,800' and then what about the new capts and their wx mins?



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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

We are not CAT II certified. It has been determined that the cost of implementing and maintaining a program of CAT II certification for the current route structure outweighs the slight loss in revenue/delays that come with not having it.

I'm sure KAUSpilot sees this as yet another reason why Expressjet is BY FAR the more superior airline, and why CHQ will fail miserably.

My friend who flies for ASA says they have it, and in 2 years, has never had to use it once.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Loggat (Reply 7):
I'm sure KAUSpilot sees this as yet another reason why Expressjet is BY FAR the more superior airline, and why CHQ will fail miserably.

I didn't read that in the post by KAUSpilot, but then maybe someonethought that was the intent. I'll wait and see but when I am a passenger, ExpressJet set a very high standard and CHQ is is going to have its work cut out in order to that level set when one makes the transition from CO mainline to CHQ regional jet flying and vice versa, thus a reason for my thread.


Quoting Loggat (Reply 7):
My friend who flies for ASA says they have it, and in 2 years, has never had to use it once.

I've also got an ASA pal and although not used often, he is glad for CAT II ability when it has been needed.....guess it depends what you bid and what time of year you bid it.

Quoting Loggat (Reply 7):
We are not CAT II certified. It has been determined that the cost of implementing and maintaining a program of CAT II certification for the current route structure outweighs the slight loss in revenue/delays that come with not having it

It would be interesting to see when you have a few hundred flights a day to a location and it is in CAT II conditions for a good part of the day as it has been at IAH on and off for a week now, just what that does cost a company in delays, diverts, canceled flights, and the inconvenience of missed connects, crews out of position, not to mention possible future lost revenue due to the savvy passengers not wanting to endure another possible flight cancel or divert when flying on XXX airline. I know I would sure think of that.

Thanks for the info and look forward to learning more of the CHQ operation at IAH next month.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2307 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Not to say that ExpressJet is better than Chautauqua, but ExpressJet has had, in my personal opinion, great service operating as Continental Express. I have a few friends flying for Chautauqua outta CMH and STL and their service for Delta (I used to work as Delta ramp rat) was also pretty good. I would like to see Cat II only because as IAHFLYR said, last week IAH was in and out of CAT I, II, and III only ops all week. Was a fun week to say the least.


On a seperate note, Are the Chautauqua guys going to be PDC Capable? If you guys are, hallelujah, if not.....its gonna be fun  Smile

Anywho I look forward to working with Chautauqua. It'll be fun  Smile

ATCT



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 9):
Are the Chautauqua guys going to be PDC Capable? If you guys are, hallelujah, if not.....its gonna be fun

Hey, you get to work and start reading those clearances!!! hahah

I'd hope PDC capable or Spot 1 is gonna get even more backed up.  

They will most liklely have to dash all over the terminal to find a printer and then back to the gate and cypher it all, but a great question that your tower OPS Manager best have the answer to already.

[Edited 2006-12-20 18:31:23]


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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

No ACARS, no PDC I'm afraid. At least not now. They would be nice things to have though, especially at the busier airports.

I'd like to think that Cat II certification should be on a realistic agenda if the weather in IAH is like I'm led to believe it is.

IAHFLYR, my remark at KAUSpilot was not specifically about his comments in this thread, although he does badmouth CHQ again (.0001 cheaper...), but every time there is a thread about the new CHQ flying for CAL, he gets on the CHQ bashing bandwagon.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting Loggat (Reply 11):
I'd like to think that Cat II certification should be on a realistic agenda if the weather in IAH is like I'm led to believe it is.

We do get our foggy mornings from time to time, sort of shows up in the winter and at times after a cooling evening thunderstorm has been able to knock a few degrees off of our morning temps.

As for the PDC's, you might find that there are printers around the terminal that you would get a printed copy of it from the gate, ExpressJet found that to be a way to get the PDC's and it sure cuts the time down on the clearance frequency, not sure of your situation as of yet but might be a good thing to have as that would sure goon things up and really start off with a bad name for all the folks at the airport.  Smile



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

One thing I found when I worked for a Cat II certified operator is that we didn't actually have to use it much, but it did allow us to dispatch to airports with weather that would have otherwise delayed us. 9 times out of 10, the weather had come up by the time we got there. There was one day where we did 3 Cat II approaches at Boston, but that was the exception.


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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting Loggat (Reply 7):
yet another reason why Expressjet is BY FAR the more superior airline, and why CHQ will fail miserably.

Couldn't agree more!


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 14):
Couldn't agree more!

 crowded 

Sure gonna be fun to watch from 334' up!  Smile



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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

I found out that our CRJ's do have ACARS installed (ex ACA birds), and they will be used for reporting OOOI times. So that does leave the possibility and technology available to get into the whole PDC arena. Here's hoping. I'm on the ERJ, so I don't expect to see it in our birds for a while yet.


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User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting Loggat (Reply 16):
I found out that our CRJ's do have ACARS installed (ex ACA birds), and they will be used for reporting OOOI times. So that does leave the possibility and technology available to get into the whole PDC arena. Here's hoping

Man I don't know for sure but I'd think they'd need a printer but maybe not! Yeah here is to hoping so!!



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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting Loggat (Reply 16):
I found out that our CRJ's do have ACARS installed (ex ACA birds), and they will be used for reporting OOOI times. So that does leave the possibility and technology available to get into the whole PDC arena. Here's hoping. I'm on the ERJ, so I don't expect to see it in our birds for a while yet.

You fly to LGA?


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 17):
Man I don't know for sure but I'd think they'd need a printer but maybe not! Yeah here is to hoping so!!

Nah you don't have to have a printer to get the PDC....you can just use the digital version that appears on the FMS CDU and go by that, the gate agent usually brings down a paper version but we don't have to have it.

I'm glad the taco has ACARS on their Canadairs, at least it will keep them honest when reporting their times.


User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 18):
You fly to LGA?

Sometimes, yes, I go all over the place.

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 19):
I'm glad the taco has ACARS on their Canadairs, at least it will keep them honest when reporting their times.

I knew you were going to say something about that. Nevertheless, there are ways to mess with the system to make it say whatever you want it to say, so they should continue to stay as honest as they always have been. I'm sure you guys never change the time in your FMS/ACARS to show "on-time." Every airline does it. Close the door, pull the CB, paperwork out the window. Oldest trick in the book.



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User currently offlineOnetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Can someone explain exactly what is necesary to recieve cat II certification (both equipment and flight crew). Thx.

User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2307 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 10):
Hey, you get to work and start reading those clearances!!! hahah

I'd hope PDC capable or Spot 1 is gonna get even more backed up.

If its VFR, Spot 1 should always be moving (in my opnion), but some people dont like to use the Ramp monitor CO has provided us (I find myself using it way too much actually, gotta listen more).

Regadring reading clearances, all I have to say is that I can say colgan such n such, cleared to college via RV to join CLL085 direct, climb and maintain 3,000, dep freq 119.7 squawk......all in my sleep :P

ATCT



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 22):
colgan

Don't you mean colon??  bigthumbsup 

Sleep on.....



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