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Wing Goes Big,Upgrading From A-320 To A-340  
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

My climb performance is constantly decreasing in the recent years since I left the 737,I was complaining about the fully loaded A321 performance but in the near future 1000fpm climb will be a nice memory for me.  Smile

Any way I will start my training next week and simulators will be 4 sessions beginning of the february.By the 5 th of the february I will be transitioned to A340.That's Airbus family is all about.

On a side note I was 75 kgs when I started 737400,I gained 3 kgs as I was a 737800 pilot.When I was on the A 320 family I gradually gained weight to 82 kgs.After my wife got pregnant I kind of gained weight with her(I was thinking that was physicological) but I should have thought A "wide body" was coming .Now I am 85 kgs and I am begging THY,not to buy A380,I can't imagine what I will be next if I go to A380  Smile


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
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Congrats, Wing! Do keep us posted....it will be fun to hear your perspective of the transition.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Congratulations on your promotion!


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

A real airline guy!

Wide-body


Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
Now I am 85 kgs

Non-stop


Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
my wife got pregnant

But also first class!


Congratulations. Aside from the rate of climb that requires patience, it is a good airplane. I flew the 330 which was a great airplane but this is the next best thing.

Your A-320 knowledge will be both a help and a hindrance. The flight control computers act in very similar fashion but by very different means. Wish I could fly it with you.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Why? Does the 340 have better foot heating?

Have fun.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
it will be fun to hear your perspective of the transition.

Definitely.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
Does the 340 have better foot heating?

Sure it does! With only twelve hours fuel endurance it doesn't have time to climb up to where the air is actually cold.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Sure it does! With only twelve hours fuel endurance it doesn't have time to climb up to where the air is actually cold.

Ah, of course! Better keep an eye on that altitude calendar.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9767 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
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Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
75 kgs when I started 737400



Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
gained 3 kgs as I was a 737800 pilot



Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
A 320 family I gradually gained weight to 82 kgs



Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
Now I am 85 kgs

...And thus we discover the real reason why the A340 is a slow climber. The damn pilots have put on over 20 lbs. before they even get to it!

 Wink

Congrats Wing. Looking forward to your anecdotes about the 340.

~Vik



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8861 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Hey Wing,

Enjoy !

From the minibus, the fuel system is a little different (4 engines and a trim tank), so is electrics (4 generators and no break power transfer so you dont gent the minibus clunk when a generator comes online), some one moved the park brake (alternate and park on blue HYD), an extra MCDU the rest should look familiar. Does not have the same tendency to go into direct law if someone sneezes, ECAM is also better.

No more EXP climb of descent either ... now you have an alt button.. ENG parameters on the ND as well...only one landing light switch  Sad

No more ELACs and SECs, now PRIMs and SECs, no more FMGC, now you have a FMEGC...

Engine out in cruise...hey so easy !!!

You will now be able to do derated takeoffs and climbs as well ! and dump fuel capability !!

There you go, conversion course finished !

P.S. remember to flare at the 40' call and to over steer through the corners !!!



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):

You forgot the descend-only TCAS because there is no point in commanding it to climb.

Kidding!!! Smile

Hey Wing, what kind of routes will you be flying over? Where will your layovers be?



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
Wish I could fly it with you

Slamclick,Thank you for the compliments.I would like to assure you that even if we may not physically share the A340 with you, very valuable knowledge I learned from you is always flying with me where ever I go.So any time if you decide to fly one of our routes there will be a seat available in the cockpit for you  Smile (The same offer goes for Zeke and Pihero too)Hey Pihero maybe you don't remember but your beer are still in the refrigirator waiting for your Istanbul layover...I will be needing "jet lag" advices from Philsquares also.

By the way we start with A340 and in the next 6 months recurrent simulator we also transition to A330-which I jumpseated once to amaze by its performance-looking forward to lay my hands on it.

Our rotes currently served as far as know from Istanbul;Newyork,Chicago,Tokio,Shangai,Hong Kong,Bangkong,Seoul,Singapore,Jeddah are all layover destinations.Capetown, Johannesburg and Canada(don't know which) are the next ER destinations.South America will be in the target list of THY very soon but as I am not very familiar with the schedules I amnot surewhich destinations and when they will be available.



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Congrats!! we'd love some trip reports!!


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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3568 times:
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Hi, Wings !
Sorry, I've been quite busy with Long range 319s for some time and I was planning to bid for an IST layover for March.
First of all, CONGRATS ! you'll love the 340 and you'll positively ADORE the 330.
Apart from what Zeke told you, I'd advise you to take a long look at the Airbus brochures, in particular the "Getting to grips with..." series. I'd recommend the "...cost index" and the "...aircraft performance ".
PM me if you can't find them.
Now two questions :
1/-Aren't you coming close to your command course, now ?
and
2/- Do you intend to lose those extra kilos, and how ?

All the best.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Wing,
Congratulations on your upgrade. When you mentioned simulators last week, I thought you meant 320s, not the big ones. It will be a pleasure to fly with you, since I do the JFK-IST at least twice a year.


User currently offlineJumboForever From Japan, joined Jul 2005, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Congrats !

It's always nice to read experienec from real pilots here!

PM when you have a layover in Tokyo.

Regards,

JumboForever


User currently offlineValcory From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting Wing (Thread starter):
By the 5 th of the february I will be transitioned to A340.That's Airbus family is all about.

Cogratulations on your upgrade i hope you enjoy flying the A-340


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Congrats, Wing! Conversion training is IMO one of the most interesting aspects of this industry, as it really highlights the good and the bad in what we engineers have created. If you find time, do post every once in a while on how you find it all.

Cheers,
/Fred



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User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Congratulations Wing. I have seen your latest trip report, and it is really something else to see pictures and read about how you are enjoying this profession.
Don't be surprised if you get some stupid question from an aspiring PPL student in your PM box  Smile

As I have gotten well into my PPL studies, I find that the more I learn, the more exciting it gets! You would think that the first flight and the first book is the most fun experience, and then it's all downhill from there. Well I've experienced it quite opposite, at least from the brief period as a pilot student.

So, do you feel like that as well working in the profession, or does that change the minute you get a full-time job?



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Congratulations Wing.

The main problem will not be getting used to the new computers or anything like that on the A340, but the hardest thing will be getting used to just sitting there in the dark for hours and hours, staring into the dark night when your wife and baby are asleep and you are doing your best to stay awake. It is a feeling that unforunately I know well from my 744 days and unfortunately will get to know again when our 777-300ERs arrive. Drop me a line when you visit Hong Kong sometime!!


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Many congrats Wing...been reading your posts for ages now and it has been fantastic living your career in a country with a growing aviation industry vicariously.

just sitting there in the dark for hours and hours staring into the dark night when your wife and baby are asleep

this consideration is what ultimately forced me out of the running for an airline career.



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Thanks guys for the best wishes,started to study already,I am not going with the "differences" but actually going allover again from the very beginning.Its taking time and sometimes a little bit hard especially if you have a 3 month old monster  Smile at home.



Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):
1/-Aren't you coming close to your command course, now ?

I am kind of unlucky on that.I started my airline career and spend 4 years at Pegasus,almost climbed to the upper ranks at the FO seniority list I had to leave the company consequences of the US-Iraq war.I spent(wasted) very valuable time at Turkish Cyprus Airline(worlds most stupid airline).Finally as I joined THY,the end of the FO seniority list,I am guessing around 3-4 more years in the A340 fleet before I can promote to left side, back in the A320 family.



Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):
2/- Do you intend to lose those extra kilos, and how ?

I was kind of hoping help of 12 FA's during the long layovers  Smile  Smile  Smile

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
When you mentioned simulators last week, I thought you meant 320s, not the big ones. It will be a pleasure to fly with you, since I do the JFK-IST at least twice a year.

Actually I meant that you are right,I wasnt informed of this when I wrote that,next day I saw my name on the A340 list,I will be plesed to host you on TK1,TK2,Hope we can do that.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 18):
but the hardest thing will be getting used to just sitting there in the dark for hours and hours, staring into the dark night when your wife and baby are asleep and you are doing your best to stay awake

I think I will find hardest to be away this much(I had layovers but one or two nights tops on A320) from my family and especially from my baby.  Smile
On the other hand that baby is my simulator of staying awake during the long nights nowadays.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 18):
Drop me a line when you visit Hong Kong sometime!!

Will be very happy to  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Congrats Wing.Im sure you'll enjoy the A340.

Anytime you arrive BOM give me a call.

Looking fwd to your TRs.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Hi guys,

Unfortunately disappointing news today.

Due to some family and company reasons I had to request a transfer back to A 320 fleet yesterday.As I havent been to simulator session yet it is accepted.

I have my military service coming in this year,I will be out of THY for 6 months so the A340 fleet doesn't want to loose a person in a short while after finishing the trainings and everything.They request me to postphone my military service for the next year but on the other side I have a new born child and I want to arrange my service according to my families' needs.

I talked this with the chief pilot and requested to stay in the A320 fleet until I am back from the army.

As a result you(and me) have to wait a little bit more to learn what its like to fly the A340.

Oh well Im glad I didnt throw my thick socks and blankets,as I am back in A320  Smile besides I haven't finished writing the series

"Things That Make Me Go Hýmm....on A320 No:1"



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
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Hi, Wings,
When I first read your initial post, I said to myself "Bad timing, Wing !" and I honestly think that your course postponement is a blessing in disguise .
Why ?
As you well know, the amount of study and the rhythm of a conversion course would put you right inside the "No Disturb" population, at the exact moment wifie and Junior would need you the most..
Then, starting long haul when Junior is growing up (so fast you wouldn't believe it) would make you miss the most important steps of his childhood . Remember when you come back after 8 days or more around the globe, you'll find your wife and child having developed a nice rapport and you'll be -at least the first two days off - the intruder...needing to be kept au fait of his progress...and of course, you'll be leaving for another trip before you've completed your "update" !...and so on and so on...
So, keep enjoying the baby Bus and yours at the same time... and keep writing here, as I enjoy your posts !

Best regards.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

You'll be back. Remember that:

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
25 HAWK21M : Well if it works out better for you then its better that way. From Mx point of view.Training courses takes time & effort,With a small kid in the Famil
26 Post contains images Wing : I've met a friend from India once when I was a student at Embry Riddle,I was shocked to learn that the military service is not mandatory but learning
27 David L : Will your military service have any aviation link or will you just be running around in the hills, making a lot of noise and getting dirty?
28 Post contains images Wing : Thats pure luck.Our military doesn't care if you are a pilot or not and gives your qualifications to a computer and you may as well end up one of the
29 Valcory : Hey wing you will flying the A-340 soon i wouldn't worry too much about that. In life nothing ever really goes smooth.
30 Starlionblue : I was in the last hurrah of Swedish national service. Military service is still mandatory in Sweden, but, as in India, the manpower demands are so sm
31 Wing : Thats most probably the exact thing will happen to me. As it goes to national defence I strongly agree that a smaller but professional army should be
32 Post contains images David L : Just like flying then - fingers crossed! If they make you responsible for turning the TV on/off, then you should really stay and "monitor" that syste
33 Post contains images Wing : Staring at a screen for long hours is something I can do best and If they promote you to upper ranks with your success in the military I can be a gen
34 Post contains images HAWK21M : Thats true.Out here since the Voluntary force is so large,that Mandatory Service in the Forces is not a requirement. Although It would be benificial f
35 FBU 4EVER! : You'll like the A340 when you finally get checked out,Wing! I flew the MD-80 for almost 8 years before making the transition to the A340 a year ago.Bo
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