Rom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
I think the rule for the number of FA for a flight is 1 for 50 pax in high density. (at least)
Now, I was wondering how many uses:
- Ryanair for their B738 (179 pax?) ?
- Jet Blue's A320 (156 pax)
- and more importantly Southwest B737-700 (149 pax?)
- Air Tran B717 ans B737-700 (roughly 110 and 149pax?)
- Frontier on A319 and A318.
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1373 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Quoting Tom12 (Reply 5): Interesting stuff. Could you further information on that a little more or post a link or something to read through?
I'm looking but I can't find anything. I remember my friend at CO saying that their minimum crew for one of their aircraft was more than the 1/50 so I enquired about it. She said that since CO had certified the aircraft (FAA Evac Trials) with MORE than the 1/50 they HAVE to have that number and can't go below it...however at another carrier they hay have less depending on how it was certified. I also think number and location of exits plays into it. Then again I work on 737's what do I know about large aircraft..Ha!
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
For part 121 carriers in the US, this information can be found in 14 CFR § 121.391 (I've bolded the portion relevent to WNCrew's comment about CO's staffing)
Quote: (a) Each certificate holder shall provide at least the following flight attendants on each passenger-carrying airplane used:
(1) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds and having a seating capacity of more than 9 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.
(2) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of 7,500 pounds or less and having a seating capacity of more than 19 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.
(3) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 50 but less than 101 passengers—two flight attendants.
(4) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 100 passengers—two flight attendants plus one additional flight attendant for each unit (or part of a unit) of 50 passenger seats above a seating capacity of 100 passengers.
(b) If, in conducting the emergency evacuation demonstration required under §121.291 (a) or (b), the certificate holder used more flight attendants than is required under paragraph (a) of this section for the maximum seating capacity of the airplane used in the demonstration, he may not, thereafter, take off that airplane—
(1) In its maximum seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number used during the emergency evacuation demonstration; or
(2) In any reduced seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number required by paragraph (a) of this section for that seating capacity plus the number of flight attendants used during the emergency evacuation demonstration that were in excess of those required under paragraph (a) of this section.
(c) The number of flight attendants approved under paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section are set forth in the certificate holder's operations specifications.
(Edited to fix quote)
[Edited 2007-02-15 04:37:16]
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23169 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
As far as I know, the rule in Europe is 1 for 50 passengers. LX operate their Avro RJ85s (82 seats) and RJ100s (97 seats) with 2 flight attendants, down from 3 a couple of years ago.
When their predecessor, Crossair, operated these aircraft I believe they used 4 flight attendants due to their higher standard of inflight service in those days with hot meals for all passengers on many sectors.
FlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11): When their predecessor, Crossair, operated these aircraft I believe they used 4 flight attendants due to their higher standard of inflight service in those days with hot meals for all passengers on many sectors.
Ahh yes, above minumum crew. I thought I'd let you know that various charter airlines here are planning on cutting right down to minimum crew on longer flights (their reason being, a longer flight gives the crew more time to work - the dumbest logic yet, maybe managment should try doing MAN-SSH on a 757 with 5 crew), we did it with 6 and still didn't get to sit down.
Yup Europe is 1 per 50 passengers. However there is a minumum number for each aircraft as well.
It is possible to go below minimum crew if downroute to bring the aircraft back home, but to do this you need to remove some passengers, get the Chief of Operations permisson as well as the CAA & of course the Skipper must approve also. This is really only used when a crewmember falls ill downroute, in ye olden days when there was more than the bare minumum crew on board it would rarley be used, now though.....
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