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Cabin Crew, How Many?  
User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Hello.

I think the rule for the number of FA for a flight is 1 for 50 pax in high density. (at least)
Now, I was wondering how many uses:
- Ryanair for their B738 (179 pax?) ?
- Jet Blue's A320 (156 pax)
- and more importantly Southwest B737-700 (149 pax?)
- Air Tran B717 ans B737-700 (roughly 110 and 149pax?)
- Frontier on A319 and A318.

thanks in advance

Rom1

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User currently onlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting Rom1 (Thread starter):
- and more importantly Southwest B737-700 (149 pax?)

We don't have any aircraft that hold 149pax

737-500 = 122pax
737-300 = 137pax
737-700 = 137pax

We staff 3 FA's on ALL aircraft at ALL times. The only exception would be if a charter requested 4 FA's.



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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting Rom1 (Thread starter):
Ryanair for their B738 (179 pax?)

They seat 189 PAX and operate with 4 cabin crew.



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

I always thought it was 1/48 or 1/49.

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User currently onlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 3):

In the US it's 1/50 and then when you get into larger aircraft it gets more complicated.



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User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 4):
In the US it's 1/50 and then when you get into larger aircraft it gets more complicated.

Interesting stuff. Could you further information on that a little more or post a link or something to read through?

Thanks, Tom



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User currently onlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting Tom12 (Reply 5):
Interesting stuff. Could you further information on that a little more or post a link or something to read through?

Thanks, Tom

I'm looking but I can't find anything. I remember my friend at CO saying that their minimum crew for one of their aircraft was more than the 1/50 so I enquired about it. She said that since CO had certified the aircraft (FAA Evac Trials) with MORE than the 1/50 they HAVE to have that number and can't go below it...however at another carrier they hay have less depending on how it was certified. I also think number and location of exits plays into it. Then again I work on 737's what do I know about large aircraft..Ha!



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

For part 121 carriers in the US, this information can be found in 14 CFR § 121.391 (I've bolded the portion relevent to WNCrew's comment about CO's staffing)

Quote:
(a) Each certificate holder shall provide at least the following flight attendants on each passenger-carrying airplane used:

(1) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds and having a seating capacity of more than 9 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.

(2) For airplanes having a maximum payload capacity of 7,500 pounds or less and having a seating capacity of more than 19 but less than 51 passengers—one flight attendant.

(3) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 50 but less than 101 passengers—two flight attendants.

(4) For airplanes having a seating capacity of more than 100 passengers—two flight attendants plus one additional flight attendant for each unit (or part of a unit) of 50 passenger seats above a seating capacity of 100 passengers.

(b) If, in conducting the emergency evacuation demonstration required under §121.291 (a) or (b), the certificate holder used more flight attendants than is required under paragraph (a) of this section for the maximum seating capacity of the airplane used in the demonstration, he may not, thereafter, take off that airplane—

(1) In its maximum seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number used during the emergency evacuation demonstration; or

(2) In any reduced seating capacity configuration with fewer flight attendants than the number required by paragraph (a) of this section for that seating capacity plus the number of flight attendants used during the emergency evacuation demonstration that were in excess of those required under paragraph (a) of this section.

(c) The number of flight attendants approved under paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section are set forth in the certificate holder's operations specifications.

Lincoln
(Edited to fix quote)

[Edited 2007-02-15 04:37:16]


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting Rom1 (Thread starter):
Jet Blue's A320 (156 pax)

Hi Rom1,

B6 now only has 150 seats on the A320 to make 36" pitch in the front of the a/c. We will be reducing to 3 f/a's in the cabin. (1 per 50)

The E190 has 100 seats and 2 f/a's. (1 per 50)



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1496 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

For Australia it's 1:36 for most aircraft not sure about the larger widebodies though.



J



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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

In Canada the rule is 1 per 40 pax. The government recently tried to implement 1 in 50 but the measure failed.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

As far as I know, the rule in Europe is 1 for 50 passengers. LX operate their Avro RJ85s (82 seats) and RJ100s (97 seats) with 2 flight attendants, down from 3 a couple of years ago.

When their predecessor, Crossair, operated these aircraft I believe they used 4 flight attendants due to their higher standard of inflight service in those days with hot meals for all passengers on many sectors.


User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 8):
Hi Rom1,

B6 now only has 150 seats on the A320 to make 36" pitch in the front of the a/c. We will be reducing to 3 f/a's in the cabin. (1 per 50)

The E190 has 100 seats and 2 f/a's. (1 per 50)

thanks a lot B6JFKH81


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
When their predecessor, Crossair, operated these aircraft I believe they used 4 flight attendants due to their higher standard of inflight service in those days with hot meals for all passengers on many sectors.

Ahh yes, above minumum crew. I thought I'd let you know that various charter airlines here are planning on cutting right down to minimum crew on longer flights (their reason being, a longer flight gives the crew more time to work - the dumbest logic yet, maybe managment should try doing MAN-SSH on a 757 with 5 crew), we did it with 6 and still didn't get to sit down.

Yup Europe is 1 per 50 passengers. However there is a minumum number for each aircraft as well.

It is possible to go below minimum crew if downroute to bring the aircraft back home, but to do this you need to remove some passengers, get the Chief of Operations permisson as well as the CAA & of course the Skipper must approve also. This is really only used when a crewmember falls ill downroute, in ye olden days when there was more than the bare minumum crew on board it would rarley be used, now though.....

Phil
FlyingColours



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