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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

I got a quesiton about airlines that operate freight service. Do the same pilots fly the pax around also fly the freight around? Like for example if 747-200B's were used for both, would the pilots fly both pax and cargo flights? Or would they fly one or the other?

Andrea K

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

I suggest you send Philsquares a PM. I think he may be able to help you out with this query

User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 2879 times:

I'm not in any position to answer this from experience, but from my own logical sense (like that is anything to brag about), it would be difficult to manage both cargo and pax in a same time period. Of course it would depend on the airline ops, but cargo is often flown by night. And since it takes quite a long time to adjust the human body to a new biological rhythm (about 1 day and night for every hour of adjustment, same goes for jet lag), it would be quite a strain on the body to constantly shift between day and nighttime shifts.

Also, there might be other reasons like the importance of routine. Since there most likely are some difference in flying cargo and pax, it might just be safer to fly one or the other to prevent confusion.



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User currently offline2enginesonly From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Andrea,

With my airline pilots fly both because they are licensed to fly a certain aircraft....it hasn't got anything to do with the load.
MD11 pilots will fly both pax and cargo although our 11's will probably stay in cargo config for the time being.

Regards,

Arjan


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

When I started flying for SAS,we flew both the pax carrying and cargo version of the DC-9.Likewise my father who flew DC-8's in the late 70's.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2264 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

With Cathay Pacific, you fly one or the other. (Junior crews flying cargo).

Regarding NW or World etc., I have no idea.

ATCT



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Anybody have more information?

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2721 times:
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At World you can fly either side. Some guys prefer to bid cargo, other like the passenger side.


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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I know that at China Airlines the crew fly the B747F and the pax version.
That goes for F/Os and Captains.


User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Okay, what about NWA?

Andrea K


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9769 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
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Quoting Blackbird (Reply 6):
Anybody have more information?

I'm almost positive that PhilSquares flies both cargo and passenger ops. I'm pretty sure he's stated so much before on this board, so hopefully he won't mind me saying so (he flies 744s).

~Vik



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Quoting Blackbird (Thread starter):
Do the same pilots fly the pax around also fly the freight around?

I reckon if you're flying a combi, you don't have any choice in the matter!



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Where's PhilSquares?

Andrea K


User currently offlineRunway777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

thats his name.
just send him a messege.
he is very helpful


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

I think you might want to talk to slamclick, I think he used to fly for NW. By the way the fact that NW has an ANC base is probably an indication that they keep their cargo flying separate.

User currently onlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4190 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

At NWA, the "classic" whale drives fly both the passenger and freight side.


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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

What about the 744-Freighter?

Andrea K


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 5):
With Cathay Pacific, you fly one or the other. (Junior crews flying cargo).

Not entirely correct. The crews are indeed seperate but you can join the company on the passenger side or their freight side, meaning both fleets have junior crew. They are different because the freighter crew are paid less than the passenger side.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 17):
Not entirely correct. The crews are indeed seperate but you can join the company on the passenger side or their freight side, meaning both fleets have junior crew. They are different because the freighter crew are paid less than the passenger side.

So you can choose which type you'd like to fly? I thought new FOs were placed directly into cargo flying, is that just for U.S based crews or can you fly pax as a u.s based pilot?

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 16):
What about the 744-Freighter?

Does NW even fly that?


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 18):
So you can choose which type you'd like to fly? I thought new FOs were placed directly into cargo flying, is that just for U.S based crews or can you fly pax as a u.s based pilot?

No, the cargo side and passenger side are almost run like seperate airlines when it comes to crewing. When you apply you decide whether you want to fly as a direct entry freighter FO based in one of the options available, or you can choose to join the passenger fleet as a Second Officer. It does get complicated and there are opportunities to move back and forth between freighters and passengers with a corresponding salary change, but when you first join the airline you essentially choose which company to join.


User currently offlineTito From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 19):
No, the cargo side and passenger side are almost run like seperate airlines when it comes to crewing. When you apply you decide whether you want to fly as a direct entry freighter FO based in one of the options available, or you can choose to join the passenger fleet as a Second Officer. It does get complicated and there are opportunities to move back and forth between freighters and passengers with a corresponding salary change, but when you first join the airline you essentially choose which company to join.

Direct entry f/o's at CX are contractually obligated to fly freighters on a base (outside HK) for 3 years, after which even if one chooses to fly pax you will still be employed by the basing company if you choose not to move to HK. I wouldn't quite go so far as to say it's like a separate airline as pax crew members on the -400 are often rostered for freighter flights (even second officers when the need arises).

So in answer to the first question, at CX passenger -400 pilots can and do fly the freighter -400's as well (but not regularly).


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Yeah....complicated! I was trying to keep it simple but of course you are right.

User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9769 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2256 times:
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Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 18):
Does NW even fly that?

I believe they only operate 742 freighters.

But I could be wrong  Smile



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Off topic here, but I have flown with Tito and enjoy reading his posts! Never got called by CX for the interview, but I did just get a recall letter to LX. So we'll see what happens. Too bad CX never called because that would have been interesting!


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User currently offlineTito From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 23):
Off topic here, but I have flown with Tito and enjoy reading his posts! Never got called by CX for the interview, but I did just get a recall letter to LX. So we'll see what happens. Too bad CX never called because that would have been interesting!

Thanks man! I sent you an email regarding that and AWAC too (settlement?)

....and just to keep it on topic, the differences in operating a freighter -400 and pax -400 are minimal and it's easy to transition from one to another.  Wink


25 HAWK21M : Out here. The Checklist carried out by Freighter crews Include Command & response terms for Pax Aircraft so as to cater to this very fact of being nee
26 CX flyboy : Sometimes they hang on to your details for a few years then call you. just hang in there and send them updates to your number of hours every year or
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