CoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5506 times:
Is there an extra flight data recorder on commercial aircraft that's used by airlines for their own use? I'm guessing the recorder that's commonly called the black box is never touched except for maintenance.
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
Many aircraft have something called a QAR, or Quick Access Recorder which captures performance data from the flight, and can be removed when the aircraft returns to its base for uploading into performance management systems. This can be used to track fuel burn rates, climb performance, engine parameters, etc.
Troubleshooter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
There are additional recorders wich save the same mandatory (and possibly sometimes more) data than the FDR for airline internal purposes. For example, on the B737 its called DFDAU (digital flight data aquisition unit) and on the A320 its a FDIMU (flight data interface management unit). Basically, these units collect all the data from different systems save them on the internal installed memory devices (PCMCIA card, disk) and send the mandatory data to the FDR. Additionally the FDR status is controlled by these units.
Big advantage is that you need no special equipment to get hold of the data. On our aircrafts we use PCMCIA cards in the DFDAU and FDIMU to save all the data. In certain time intervals these cards have to be changed for readout. These datas are confidential and have to be sent to the flight safety department in a special sealed box.
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4261 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
In our airline the used PCMCIA cards and tape cassettes (yes there are still QAR cassettes about) are sent to the FDR department. Here every card/tape is downloaded into the computor where the events on the flight are run against a standard flight. Hundreds of parameters are compared from Body angle at lift off, Rate of ascent, In the box at 500ft on approach, AOA at landing, etc etc. If any parameter is outside certain parameters then it is recorded into a data bank. This is monitored by Flight Safety who can see trends developing, like high G force on landing roll at a particular airport and then see why. Really bad excursions are communicated to the pilots union for discussion, but basically the system is nameless. It is a Quality program for operations.
The system also keeps track of Cat3 landings to keep the system certified, amongst other things.
This has been going on since the late 60s.
The tapes are changed every night (because they are not long enough), but the PCMCIA cards about every third night.
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5392 times:
Yes the big brother is watching you.In every once in a while the menagers of the training department make random(sometimes especially on particular pilots) checks of the pilots flying habbits and their complience with the company SOP's.
The advantage of the FDM system is to force the pilots comply with the SOP's and the air regulations.It also a good reminder for the ex-military pilots that they are no longer flying the F- series.
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