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Landing Lights When Backtracking On Runway?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2190 posts, RR: 13
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

When planes "backtrack" on a runway (i.e., they make a 180 degree turn at the end of the runway to taxi to the runway exit) - do they leave their landing lights switched on?

What about planes taxiing to the end of the runway to make a 180 degree turn before taking off? Landing lights on?

Maybe there is no hard and fast rule about it, but I was just wondering whether this was done so that planes can be seen when they're on the runway (e.g. by approaching traffic).

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User currently offlineChrisMUC From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

that's for sure a good idea, since at night aircraft with only nav and anti collision lights on are very hard to see.
We always turn on the white strobe lights when cleared to cross an active runway or to line up because of the same reason.
rgds Chris


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Out here Before Entering the Active Runway Landing Lights are switched on.Some Switch on a few landing lights even during Taxi at night.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

Quoting ChrisMUC (Reply 1):
for sure a good idea, since at night aircraft with only nav and anti collision lights on are very hard to see

It is a good idea to be as visible as you can be day or night....for me, I know that it is much easier to see a landing light headed your way either in the air or on the ground.



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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Usually when your about to enter an active runway you should turn on your strobes and landing lights, regardless if it's day or night, just makes you more visible to other traffic in the area.

Happens at LHR with all aircraft that cross runways and aircraft about to take the active for departure.

So when your backtracking on a runway, as you are still on the active, landing lights and strobes should remain on. However I think there is a certain time limit landing lights can be left on while on the ground as they heat up pretty good, in the air the air flow keeps them cooled, maybe someone can be a bit more clearer on that.

BritPilot777



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Landing lights? Hell, if I was backtracking on a runway, at night, I'd even be firing emergency flares out the cockpit window.

I can think of no more certain recipe for disaster than to do this at an uncontrolled airport.


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 5):
I can think of no more certain recipe for disaster than to do this at an uncontrolled airport.

A wee bit dramatic there... Wink

It happens all the time up here. The great majority of the runways my airline serves are uncontrolled and for the most part gravel (gasp!).

We self announce on CTAF and keep our eyes out the window. If the fit hits the shan you can always taxi the plane off the side of the runway. It'll be a pain in the rear to pull out and pretty expensive, but the plane will be in one piece, lightly damaged, and I'll be alive.

However, I can't say I'd talk so highly of the other pilots condition after we "chat."

Checko



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

For me, the answer is, it depends. When holding in position, our manual specifies that we use strobes, but nothing more. I try to be mindful of other aircraft around me, especially at night, and try to prevent light usage that will needlessly blind the crew of other aircraft. If there is traffic on final however, I will ask for all the lights once we are lined up.


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

IIRC, on my DKR-ATL and DKR-JNB flights on DL the landing lights were turned on once we got on the runway. The pilot also spooled up the engines a bit to get down the runway faster which was interesting.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

"A wee bit dramatic there... "

It isn't so much the airplane who is landing directly facing you, it is the yokel who, on a calm wind condition night, is about to land directly on top of you from behind.

Runways are for landings and takeoffs. Taxiways are for taxiing. I haven't survived 48 years in the air by being complacent or trusting.


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Our ops says when on the runway (for any reason) taxi light, runway turnoff, and strobes on. When cleared for t/o landing lights on. Reason is if you're crossing the runway down the way and you see me in position and you see my ldg lites I'm rolling. At our hubs where it may be just us it's a great clue for a safe xing.

User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 9):
Runways are for landings and takeoffs. Taxiways are for taxiing. I haven't survived 48 years in the air by being complacent or trusting.

It must be nice flying into airports with full length taxiways all the time. Sometimes backtaxiing is a necessary risk. Unless one wants to explain why you ran off the end of the runway with a plane full of passengers and didn't use the full runway length, it is the safest thing to do.

Anytime we are on a runway, lights go on, transponder is turned on, etc.

There is a time and place for everything and there is nothing more useless than the runway behind you and the fuel that you left on the ground.  Smile

Checko



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2316 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

When I fly I always have my strobes and Landing light on anytime im "taking" the runway. Whether this means backtracking to the threshold, or backtracking to get off, I leave em on. If im just shootin across, I just have the strobes on with the Taxi light.

ATCT



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

I believe it's standard practice to have the lights on whenever on the runway. On a recent trip out of MCO, even aircraft crossing from the outer runways to the inner ones would turn on their landing lights while crossing the runway.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7730 times:

Lights Especially at Nights help in getting Attention.Using Landing & Taxiing lights while on the Runway is assuring one of a Safety margin in case of any error.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Flying into our home airport, we always back-taxi on the runway with the 414. The taxiway is very narrow and there is insufficient space between the runway and taxiway for safe wingtip clearance with anything larger than a Cessna 340. Whenever we back-taxi at night, the landing lights and strobes stay on while on the runway. Once clear, we'll often turn off and retract the landing lights but the strobes stay on until we reach our private ramp.


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