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A320 Mainland-Hawaii Ops.  
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

I was just curious as to why airlines dont use the A319/A320 dont use that type of aircraft on Mainland USA to Hawaii. I ve seen Aloha's 737-700's and ATA's 738's utilized on that route. Could it be that the A320 family has not been tested for ETOPS? If they had performed ETOPS tests, is in within the range of the A319 or the A320 under "Normal Headwinds" conditions, "Normal" meaning not 100-150 knots headwinds sustained.

Thanks for your Help.


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Could it be that the A320 family has not been tested for ETOPS?

The A32S family was just recently ETOPS approved. The airlines here in the States that own those planes are filling their larger planes to the Islands. UA, US/HP, and NW all use their 757, 777, and/or A333 equipment (type depends on carrier) to the islands because of more capacity and better CASM. The ETOPS for A32S planes means B6 or F9 could begin flying to Hawaii in the future if they wanted, but neither have yet indicated so.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Thread starter):
Could it be that the A320 family has not been tested for ETOPS?

Yes, it has been ...and at least, minimum from 3 years ago: You have more info in this thread opened by myself (with my former username) in 2004

RE: A320, Now With 180' Etops (by Anxebla Mar 5 2005 in Tech Ops)

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
The ETOPS for A32S planes means B6 or F9 could begin flying to Hawaii in the future if they wanted

What type of aircraft uses UA or NW to fly Hawaii?



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

UA uses the 767 from the west coast an a 777 from Chicago. NW hubs are at Detroit, Minneapolis and Memphis so they possibly cannot utilize the A320. However NW uses A333 from its hubs in MSP and DTW and the 757 from LAX and SFO.


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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 2):
What type of aircraft uses UA or NW to fly Hawaii?

UA sends 752's, 763's, and 772's to Hawaii. These birds are in a domestic two-cabin configuration.


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
NW hubs are at Detroit, Minneapolis and Memphis so they possibly cannot utilize the A320.

NW also flies SEA-HNL and PDX-HNL I think, but both with 753's. So they could do it, but they have a much better airplane for that price sensitive market in the 753.



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 5):
NW also flies SEA-HNL and PDX-HNL I think, but both with 753's. So they could do it, but they have a much better airplane for that price sensitive market in the 753.

Thats true the 753 is utilized on the western USA - HNL and youre right they're much better of sending those aircraft which can hold in excess of 200 PAX as opposed to the A320 series.



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Don't foget that Aloha uses 737-700's from SAN and OAK to HNL

Hawaiian uses 767-300 from LAS, LAX, SEA, PHX and ANC

ATA uses 757-300 from PHX to HNL


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 7):
ATA uses 757-300 from PHX to HNL

Dont Forget that ATA also uses their 738's from LAX, SAN, and OAK to Kahului and Honolulu.



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 8):
Dont Forget that ATA also uses their 738's from LAX, SAN, and OAK to Kahului and Honolulu.

They sure do.

No one mentioned Harmony from YVR to HNL 757 either. I think it's sufficient to say there are many narrow body's between North America and within the Pacific rim to Hawai'i everyday  Smile


User currently offlineKen4556 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

To answer the original question, I don't think the A320 has the range to make the west coast and Hawaii.

United and Jet Blue have issues, with headwinds, from the east coast to the west coast non-stop at times during the year. LAX-HNL is 81 miles farther then JFK-LAX, so with ETOPS requirements I am not sure the A320 has the range to do it. The A319 may be able to do it, but it also may have the same issues too.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
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Quoting Ken4556 (Reply 10):
To answer the original question, I don't think the A320 has the range to make the west coast and Hawaii.

Depends on where you start. Isn't SFO quite a bit closer to Hawaii than LAX? Westjet flies 737s from YVR to Hawaii, and Air Pacific did YVR-HNL-NAN with a 737 for a few years (until it did a code share deal with Harmony for the YVR piece). I would think an A319 could match those (although AC uses 767s on all its Hawaii flights, probably because it has no trouble filling them).



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