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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Apart from the DHC-6 and the Dash 8, what twin prop A/C have STOL capabilities?

Also, since I may be interested in buying a Twin Otter in the future:
What approximate price do they sell for? (I am sure there are other parameters, but since I do not know them, I will not define any)
(Where) is it possible to receive instruction on the A/C type?


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Thread starter):
Apart from the DHC-6 and the Dash 8, what twin prop A/C have STOL capabilities?

Define STOL for us.

The reason I ask is that I used to dispatch Metro's out of 3500 foot strips, and they aren't known for their stol capabilities.

But besides the Trotter, I would think about finding Donier 228's, Norman-Brittan Islanders, Yak-28's,



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

The Casa 212's do a decent job. As does the SC-7 Skyvan. Apart from what L-188 mentioned those are the only additional aircraft that spring to mind. Depending on your requirements, a King Air of some sort might do, as might a Cessna F406. Britten Norman has an aircraft in the works called the Defender, which uses the Trilander wing and fuselage with a couple of RR turboprops.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 2):
The Casa 212's do a decent job. As does the SC-7 Skyvan.

DO'H!!!

I used to work for a company that had a Casa 212 and I totally spaced mentioning that type.

Can you live with a piston, because of the money of some of these types you should be able to pick up a DC-3.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Well, there's always the Angel...

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
Can you live with a piston,

Don't have to live with a piston, those Basler DC-3 conversions look pretty nice. A Convair 580 might fit the bill, too. It just depends on the mission requirements.



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User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4673 times:

I've landed a near-full L-410 using less than 200m of runway 21 @ EGNS earlier this week. And took off using a tad bit more a few minutes later  Big grin


I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4671 times:
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Quoting Dufo (Reply 6):
I've landed a near-full L-410 using less than 200m of runway 21 @ EGNS earlier this week. And took off using a tad bit more a few minutes later

You, sir, need a video camera....or at least a digital camera capable of recording such coolness....  yes 

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User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4650 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Thread starter):
Also, since I may be interested in buying a Twin Otter in the future:
What approximate price do they sell for?

Brand new about 3.2 million. That's for a new 400 series with -34 engines, -35's and 4 blade props are options.

http://www.vikingair.com/content2.aspx?id=276

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Thread starter):
(Where) is it possible to receive instruction on the A/C type?

Flight Safety International in Canada. They list training for the Otter under regional airline.

http://www.flightsafety.com/searchresults3.php?home=my


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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

screw the twin get a PC12 ahaha.....on the twin otter note though some company (cant recall who) bought the rights to reproduce the Twotter...should be cool...strap some floats on and you've got a real plane! but speaking of STOL where exactly do you plan on flying one? when it comes to price unless you are flying in alaska or any place with some terrain its not that useful...I guess you could do freight that would be cool but you could do freight for cheaper in a faster plane...just a weird thought comming from a pilot in the bush ha. the Twin Otters are expenseive i think those new ones are going to go for something in the 2mil range....I flew one around PA a few months back that was for sale for somethign like 800k and it was a POS....anyway good luck!


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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Yak-28's


???



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Define STOL for us.

Capable of operating off a 2800ft paved runway is all I need. Good point though.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
Can you live with a piston

Any A/C with two propeller sets is fine.

Quoting PILOTALLEN (Reply 9):
screw the twin get a PC12

I thought about that. But the PC12 becomes useless when I'm at 1500ft on a 5 mile final over water and an engine fails, whereas theoretically the Twin Otter's other engine should be able to bring me to the runway.

Quoting PILOTALLEN (Reply 9):
where exactly do you plan on flying one?

I was thinking of Europe, Norway is where I would need STOL capabilities.



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Quoting T prop (Reply 8):

Thanks a lot.  Smile
Brand new would indeed be interesting, I didn't know they were back in production.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
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Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 11):
when I'm at 1500ft on a 5 mile final over water and an engine fails, whereas theoretically the Twin Otter's other engine should be able to bring me to the runway.

...Or to the scene of the crash, depending on whether you're observing Vmc or flying the published STOL numbers.  Wink


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 10):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Yak-28's

Damm that is twice I screw up in 1 thread!!!!

That would be an AN-28.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 13):
...Or to the scene of the crash, depending on whether you're observing Vmc or flying the published STOL numbers.

Any Twotters been lost in Vmc accidents? I suppose it's possible since they are nowadays popular as a skydiving aircraft...



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4592 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 15):

Any Twotters been lost in Vmc accidents? I suppose it's possible since they are nowadays popular as a skydiving aircraft...

Actually, browsing through NTSB reports back to the early seventies, there appears to be only one fatal accident that might be attributed to Vmc. It occured last year in Missouri. The vast majority involve either VFR flight into IFR conditions or people walking into the props.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 11):

Maybe you could go a bit more into detail ? What do you intend to carry, pax or cargo, and how many / much ? How long would the flights be, do you need a pressurized aircraft ?

BTW, if you want to fly in Europe, IMO you should chose an aircraft that uses jet fuel. Avgas prices are horrible on this side of the pond.
But it also depends on how often you fly, aircraft with gas engines are cheaper.



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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

yeah the other engine is always a plus, heres something to think about...one big problem you'll run into with the otter would be parts, especially in europe. however if you have something thats eruropean built you could easily get parts...just a thought...and i am in no way connected to Pilatus haha, just in case someone thought it was a plug...on the meantime being at 1500ft 5 miles out wouldn't be good in most planes....although you are right with that extra engine...in some ways....I always like carrying speed in the PC12 when low especially when low for that matter.....but again it is a PT-6 and its pretty strong....oh well


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4577 times:
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Quoting PILOTALLEN (Reply 18):
I always like carrying speed in the PC12 when low

What's the lowest Vref speed you typically see in the PC-12?


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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

80 over the fence....somewheres in that range, I personally have always flown it a little on the fast side...but typically come in between 120-110 and slow it up once im sure ive made the runway with the full 40 flaps...does a good job. in ground effect it will still fly along around 70 kts...a bit mushy but Ive managed to get it in there alright


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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 17):
Maybe you could go a bit more into detail ? What do you intend to carry, pax or cargo, and how many / much ? How long would the flights be, do you need a pressurized aircraft ?

This A/C would be primarily for my own usage, unless someone or some people ask(s) me to fly them somewhere, in which case I would limit the payload to the A/C's specs. In any case, I would carry pax rather than cargo.

The flight would be as long as it needs to be- I have no objection to a tech stop/stopover if the flight gets too long.

I have no particular need for a pressurized A/C, so I would perhaps go with an unpressurized one to keep mx cost down.



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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

heck flyin around the mountains, buy a super cub with tundra tires 36" ! or the new cub crafters top cub with an 1100lb useful load....cant beat that! or better yeah a beaver or turbin otter mmmmmmm.


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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Have you considered any of Partenavia's aircraft, like the P68? That sounds like it might fit your bill.


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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 23):
Have you considered any of Partenavia's aircraft, like the P68? That sounds like it might fit your bill.

This A/C looks interesting indeed. How much would it cost, and does it have STOL characteristics? (I saw nothing on this last part)



"There is an art, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
25 ZBBYLW : So let me get this right, you just want to fly around Europe for the fun of it in a Twotter, Damn! Hope you have tons of fun, lots of pictures and sen
26 GAIsweetGAI : Definitely, as often as I can. (I could say your wish is my command, but I'm not sure that fits right...) And I think you got the essence of it right
27 Lowrider : They advertise a 400m run to clear a 50 foot obstacle and a 57 knot stall speed. While it may not set any records, its not bad for a six place twin.
28 Lowrider : Of course, if you need something a little larger, I don't think you can go wrong with a BN-2 Islander. That is definately a STOL light twin.
29 Avt007 : Most 16-20 year olds dream of having a nice car, not a Twin Otter. Go big or go home, eh?
30 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : I've never had any interest in cars, as far as I can remember. The only reason I want a car (no matter how nice) and a driver's license is so that I
31 A342 : Get a brand new Diamond DA42 TDI Twin Star. It offers the performance you need while keeping fuel cost down.
32 ATCT : There is also the DHC-4/5 Caribou and Buffalo's. These are larger than the Twotter, but radial engine driven vs. turboprop. The DHC-7 is also a specta
33 A342 : The DHC-5 Buffalo has GE T64 turboprops. But I think these aircraft are way too big for the requirement.
34 Post contains links and images 2H4 : The Champion 402 Lancer: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jose Ramos 2H4
35 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : As long as the A/C is STOL, I'll look into it. (However, I'm not familiar with the DHC-4/5.) And thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
36 Post contains links WrenchBender : http://www.dhc4and5.org Info on the Caribou and Buffalo WrenchBender
37 Avt007 : Not to be picky, (OK, I'm being picky!) but the Dash8 is not a STOL aircraft, as such. deHavilland does not make any such claim.
38 DashTrash : A Dash 8 is not a true STOL aircraft. It can use some short strips, but it is not officially a STOL aircraft. Good luck in getting a balanced field wi
39 9VSIO : What about a tilt-rotor? Do they count?
40 Post contains links GAIsweetGAI : Maybe not as true STOL aircraft, but I'll look into them by all means. 'Tis quite possible: http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...deroe_Aviation_Vid
41 Post contains links T prop : Not a STOL airplane but the Dash 8 will outperform others in its class easily when it comes to short field performance. Island Air JHM-HNL-JHM Just F
42 Post contains images Bond007 : Sorry, but I still don't understand the mission requirements ?? If it's just for your OWN flying, around Europe, off short strips, with little or no c
43 Post contains images PlymSpotter : If you are really serious about doing something like this, then you could perhaps consider the An-2. There are still a lot about and are relatively ch
44 Post contains images AbleToFly : Don't have to forget the King Air B200 with Short Field Performance kits fitted. Air Greenland has one, and it does it's job real good. Regards.
45 SCAT15F : The Shorts.
46 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : Indeed this is what I'm thinking of. I only went for the Twotter due to my... ignorance in this field.
47 Post contains images KELPkid : Isn't that the one that flies by vacuum (it's so ugly that the air is repulsed and gets out of the way)
48 Post contains links BOE773 : Here is another great STOL performer. I saw it at Oshkosh and was very impressed. http://www.sherpaaircraft.com/
49 DashTrash : " target=_blank>http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...l?s=y Wasn't saying you can't get the airplane off a strip that short. I was saying you will no
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