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Pilotless Landing  
User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2275 times:

A friend asks me a very classic (but I didn't find it in Search) question: What if the pilot has just exploded and copilot lies on the floor with Amazon spear stuck inrnchest? What are the possibilities to land an aircraft? And, imagine, he demands realistic answer  Wink

My only more-less appropriate suggestion would be autoland system, but this is also not a button in the middle of dashboard labeled "To land press here", but rather another procedure. So, what are, from technical point of view, minimum requirements for aircraft and airfield systems and people for +/- safe landing?

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17030 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

- Autoland equipped aircraft.
- Pax of cabin crew sitting in the cockpit.
- Working radios, both for ILS and comms.
- Person in cockpit should know how to contact someone on the radio.
- Someone on the radio talking through every step. As you say, it's a procedure and not a simple one.
- ILS equipped airport.
- Good weather would be nice. Otherwise complication level increases.

Despite what the movies tell us, this is not really a plausible scenario. A good outcome is possible but unlikely.



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2091 times:
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Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

Exploding pilots are a big concern for your friend?!  Wow!


User currently offline3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Well, in case of decompression one must consider pilot's explosion  Wink

No, as a matter of fact even in vacuum nobody will explode, it's only SF-writers' imagination for more picturesque victims of space battles  Smile

Anyway, thanks for confirmation of my guesses.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

How does the Pilot explode.
 Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17030 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Quoting 3MilesToWRO (Thread starter):
What if the pilot has just exploded

How does the Pilot explode.

This can happen if the flight attendant overinflates.



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
This can happen if the flight attendant overinflates.

I thought your name had to be "Otto Pylit"  duck 



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17030 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part

Ok. But do you have a concrete example?



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User currently offlineSpeedracer1407 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 9):

Ok. But do you have a concrete example?

Actaully, many of the flights I've been on in the past few years have had pilots explode. I was the only one onboard who stood up to the challenge of landing the plane. I've now landed most Boeings and an airbus A320 thanks to the fact that ATC usually does a good job talking me down for the most part.

[Edited 2007-03-27 04:58:51]


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User currently offlineMsllsmith From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

I have to say my Flight Deck sometimes get pissed off when I take their BP and ask subtle, but telling questions about their mental health as part of our Pre-flight briefing, but they understand that I'm just a concerned Back End of the plane type......The fact however that I carry in my Flight Bag a complete and current copy of the a/c specific systems manual, as well as the QRH and a back up hand held radio.............. with accompanying charts........


Well,....... I'm sure makes them feel warm and fuzzy all over.


....................Just in case.......  Wink



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User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
Well, if a non-pilot passenger who is incompetent when it comes to airplanes had to land it (ie no pilots, no deadheads or on board pilots or FAs) ATC usually does a good job talking them down for the most part

Has that ever happened before, or is it just in the movies.


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