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User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2912 times:

Tonight on Mythbusters(9pm on Discovery), they test the "birds on an airplane" myth.  bigthumbsup  But they will use a truck.  Sad

Now I wonder if the truck will be moving on a huge conveyor belt at the same time.

So now we will know the truth about this hotly discussed topic.

Dan in Jupiter

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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2905 times:
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It seems silly to use a truck. Why not just put the birds in a large cylinder supported on scales in controlled conditions?


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User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2901 times:

Thats the "small scale" test.

I say just jump to the A380 with about a million birds.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2897 times:
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Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 2):
I say just jump to the A380 with about a million birds.

Too dangerous. When the birds take flight, the airplane will exceed Mach 1 and rocket up to the edge of space, even with the engines at idle and speed brakes deployed.


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
... But they will use a truck.

Is it made out of chicken wire?


User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
Too dangerous. When the birds take flight, the airplane will exceed Mach 1 and rocket up to the edge of space, even with the engines at idle and speed brakes deployed.

And when in space, if the birds poop, do they get shot forward at lightspeed?

The show was ok. The best part was using the model helicopter, and dropping the boat from the crane by the hottie Kari.She can bust my myth anytime.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineNirmalmakadia From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 4):
Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):
... But they will use a truck.

Is it made out of chicken wire?


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[Edited 2007-04-24 14:29:59]

[Edited 2007-04-24 14:31:22]

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

If a bird with a truck on its back was running on a conveyor with a plane chasing it in the rain, would the rice taste funny in the southern part of China on a Monday afternoon?

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Why are they testing this? The weight of the airplane wouldn't change regardless of what the birds are doing. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for their show.


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User currently offlineCFTOA From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
It seems silly to use a truck. Why not just put the birds in a large cylinder supported on scales in controlled conditions?

I agree with 2H4, the use of the truck is somewhat stupid in my opinion.. Mythbusters is an interesting show, but they always seem to deviate from their original intended myth slightly due to insurance reasons, and other factors. I remember watching one episode where they wanted to see if a 737-200 could blow over a mid size sedan.. unfortunatly, instead of using a 737, or a JT8D-7 turbofan for that matter, they used a much smaller 'jet engine' because of insurance reasons.. Needless to say, the car didn't blow over  Yeah sure insurance companies ruin it for all of us  Wink

Cheers.

Tyson McAuley


User currently offlineDarkBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 233 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting CFTOA (Reply 9):
I agree with 2H4, the use of the truck is somewhat stupid in my opinion.. Mythbusters is an interesting show, but they always seem to deviate from their original intended myth slightly due to insurance reasons, and other factors.

Not sure if I follow your post. You criticize them for using a truck, but then criticize them again for deviating from the original myth for insurance purposes. In this case, they tested the myth exactly as it came to them, no deviation. The myth was not birds inside a plane, but rather when transporting birds inside a truck, does the truck get lighter if you stir up the the birds (for going over weight-limited bridges).

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 8):
Why are they testing this? The weight of the airplane wouldn't change regardless of what the birds are doing. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for their show.

I guess I disagree with you here, I actually thought it was pretty interesting to see, although maybe it's just because I'm engineer. We tend to enjoy seeing experiments that confirm analytically calculated projections. I only wish that they would have made a container out of chicken wire to show the difference.


User currently offlineCFTOA From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting DarkBlue (Reply 10):
Not sure if I follow your post. You criticize them for using a truck, but then criticize them again for deviating from the original myth for insurance purposes. In this case, they tested the myth exactly as it came to them, no deviation. The myth was not birds inside a plane, but rather when transporting birds inside a truck, does the truck get lighter if you stir up the the birds (for going over weight-limited bridges).

Alright, well, I'm not too sure if I follow this thread then, seeing as it is called 'Birds On An Airplane' not 'Birds On A Truck'  Yeah sure

Cheers.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting CFTOA (Reply 11):
Alright, well, I'm not too sure if I follow this thread then, seeing as it is called 'Birds On An Airplane' not 'Birds On A Truck'

"Birds on an Airplane" is an infamous subject in Tech Ops.

RE: Hypothetical Question... (by David L Feb 26 2006 in Tech Ops)

Not nearly as infamous as, Planes on Treadmills.

RE: If A Plane Took Off A Conveyor Belt... (by GRZ-AIR Dec 29 2005 in Tech Ops)


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17019 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
It seems silly to use a truck. Why not just put the birds in a large cylinder supported on scales in controlled conditions?

That's basically what they do.

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 8):
Why are they testing this? The weight of the airplane wouldn't change regardless of what the birds are doing. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for their show.

I know this. You know this. But some people need to see experimental results.

Also, Mythbusters has always had some "out there" stuff. It's not the myths themselves, it's how they do them that is the appeal.

BTW, there was no change in weight. But Jamie and Adam are certain this will not calm the raging debate on the Mythbusters forums. Big grin



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