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A300-600 Exit Door Lights Not Lit In Flight  
User currently offlineAdools From Egypt, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

I flew on LH3384 from Frankfurt to Athens yesterday evening. The plane was an A300-600. The flight was pleasant, mainly because it was less than half full. Something interesting caught my eye regards to the exits. I sat behind door three, and on one side of the plane (the left) the EXIT light on the door and on the ceiling above the aisle was lit the entire flight. On the right side, the signs were never lit at any point in the flight. I watched the flight attendant arm the doors on both sides before take-off, so unless she did something wrong, the door was in "flight" position. Is this difference significant? Is there a correlation between the lit signs and the doors being ready to use?

(Perhaps this should be in tech/ops?)

Thanks!

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User currently offlineAirlineAV8tor From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Well, For starters, the exit doors- more specific exit lighting, is a required pre-flight item for cabin crews. To my best knowledge the exit sign, or actuall word "exit" on the door must be lighted on all flight segments when pax are onboard. The exit pathway lighting does not. I just fly the front half of these things, so if a FA or someone with more knowlege wants to help, please do. I also know that if an FAA cabin inspector is on board, and signs or required lighting is out, fines can be as high as $20,000 and up!

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

From my experience, the exit door lighting only has to be lit during takeoff and landing. During cruise or maybe just above 10,000 feet it can be switched off.

UAL


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Quoting Adools (Thread starter):
I watched the flight attendant arm the doors on both sides before take-off, so unless she did something wrong, the door was in "flight" position.

The flight attendant did nothing wrong. Arming the door so that the slide will deploy in an emergency does not illuminate the EXIT sign.



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting AirlineAV8tor (Reply 1):
Well, For starters, the exit doors- more specific exit lighting, is a required pre-flight item for cabin crews. To my best knowledge the exit sign, or actuall word "exit" on the door must be lighted on all flight segments when pax are onboard

Correct, well as far as the UK-CAA and Icelandic CAA are concerned  Smile

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
From my experience, the exit door lighting only has to be lit during takeoff and landing.

Some aircraft the lights are always on, on some like the A32X the lights will turn on and off at the appropriate times.

Quoting AirlineAV8tor (Reply 1):
The exit pathway lighting does not

The floor lighting does need to be checked, and if a luminescent strip is used it must be charged correctly prior to the flight. (Full cabin lighting for 90 minutes without passengers onboard), on night flights they must be charged every 3? hours for 15 minutes. I dont have my old manual on my right now and never needed to do it, or at least see it done.

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 4):
Some aircraft the lights are always on, on some like the A32X the lights will turn on and off at the appropriate times.

The Emergency Exit Door & Path lights are illuminated automatically if ARMED,only during Emergency evacuation.But can be switched on for test [B737],Im referring from the Cabin Attendent panel.Cockpit control is a different story.

regds
MEL



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Some confusion might be cleared up by the following scenario, although it does not necessarily apply to Airbus aircraft.

Aircraft L1011.

During Takeoff and Landing, the no smoking sign is illuminated, and in addition to controlling the no smoking signs, the respective switch on the FD also controls the emergency exit sign illumination.

IE: turn on the no smoking sign, emergency exit lights also illuminate.

Now, most flights today are 'no smoking' flights, and as such, the no smoking sign is ALWAYS illuminated.
Therefore, the emergency exit signs would therefore be illuminated as well.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5324 times:

Now a days the no smoking sign is always on in the U.S. Maybe the exit signs just burned out. Is there multiple bulbs in the exit sign. In ocean marker buoys there are multiple bulbs so that when one burns out another automatically takes its place. I would imagine this would be a good idea for aircraft as well.

User currently offlineAdools From Egypt, joined Oct 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Thanks for all your comments....

However, if there was a bulb failure, two bulbs had to fail: both the ceiling exit lamp above the aisle and the in-door exit lamp. And, the lamps were illuminated on the left side of the plane.

To clear up any confusion, my question now is: Was there any fault with the actual door that was reflected in the fact that the lamps were not illuminated?

Thanks again!


User currently offlineLro From Austria, joined Feb 2007, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Hi all,

IMHO (i read it on a german froum) on all modern Airbusses the exit signs are turnt of when the landing gear is retracted. You might also hear a ping at this moment.

best regards


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

On the A320 series the exit lights are controlled by the no smoking sign circuit. Although the no smoking signs are on all the time whether in ON or Auto, the landing gear retraction signal which used to turn the no smoking signs off, still turns off the exit lights. On the ground, part of the shutdown checks is to turn off the no smoking signs, which turns off the exit lights.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 10):
On the ground, part of the shutdown checks is to turn off the no smoking signs, which turns off the exit lights.

Any reason for that callout.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4669 times:
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Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 4):
The floor lighting does need to be checked, and if a luminescent strip is used it must be charged correctly prior to the flight. (Full cabin lighting for 90 minutes without passengers onboard), on night flights they must be charged every 3? hours for 15 minutes. I dont have my old manual on my right now and never needed to do it, or at least see it done.

Phil
FlyingColours

Is that luminescent strip basically glow-in-the-dark tape..meaning that to recharge it, you have to have light applied to it? If so, how do they recharge it at night every 3 hours... I can't remember when my international flights have had the strips vs. actual lights, but I definitely don't recall lights being turned on every 3 hours for 15 minutes. I think the projected lights that VX has are a nice idea, but Delta's knee level white lights leading up to red lights on exit rows is a great idea, since if there is smoke in the cabin and visibility is reduced, the closer to your eyes, the better.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
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I have noticed that the EXIT sign goes out as the aircraft climbs and comes on again as we approach the ground. Maybe it is to stop some fool trying to open it in flight!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

The Emergency lights & path lights if not reflective tape are controlled by the Emergency switch in the Flight deck[Off/Arm/On] & the Attendant panel.[Arm/On].
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineA10WARTHOG From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4627 times:



Quoting Adools (Reply 8):
Was there any fault with the actual door that was reflected in the fact that the lamps were not illuminated?

I would say no, but I do not know the system on the plane. What I have seen on other planes when multiple emergency lights do not work, it is normally a power supply issue (below fuse or bad power supply). It can be just one pin that is bad on the power supply that can cause multiple lights to go inop.


User currently offlineWirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4436 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 10):
On the A320 series the exit lights are controlled by the no smoking sign circuit. Although the no smoking signs are on all the time whether in ON or Auto, the landing gear retraction signal which used to turn the no smoking signs off, still turns off the exit lights. On the ground, part of the shutdown checks is to turn off the no smoking signs, which turns off the exit lights.

Hi Steve, i dont think this true, the emergency exit lights and the no smoking lights are switched on and off seperatley. also the no smoking signs if in auto only come on with the landing gear down. they are only on all the time if selected on. the same with the emer exit lights... if the switch is in arm then they will come on if the LDG is downlocked... other wise can be switched on on the FAP or by the on switch in the cockpit. seat belt light is either on or off.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 4370 times:



Quoting Wirelock (Reply 16):
if the switch is in arm then they will come on if the LDG is downlocked... other wise can be switched on on the FAP or by the on switch in the cockpit. seat belt light is either on or off

If the No smoking & Fasten seatbelts Sw's are OFF there will be no light.If they are ON there will be the lights & if the Switches are in ARM,The lights are controlled by the L/G & Flaps positions respectively.

regds
MEL



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