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Thunderbird 2 Only If It Could?  
User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series)

After all these years I still think Thunderbird 2 is a great design . If money was no object, using modern materials and now-how could this beauty get off the ground?
Keeping to the original design as much as possible how much change would it need?

Best Regards
A 45 year old who has never grown up!

P.S Any other old TV/Film/comic etc aircraft of old that you think really could fly?

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

That fuse probably produces a lot of lift. So it would probably fly. But I bet top speed would be low because of drag.

Those long intake ducts look like they would waste energy.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

I loved the Fire Flash airliner seen in a few episodes - with the cockpit set into the base of the fin  Smile


...I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate....
User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
That fuse probably produces a lot of lift. So it would probably fly. But I bet top speed would be low because of drag.

Sometimes it "flew" without the pod (e.g. after TB4 launch into the sea). So fuselage lift becomes horrible fuselage drag. I don't think they ever showed TB4 being recovered, maybe they had to call International Rescue...  confused 

What was the tailplane all about? I think it may have been part of the propulsion system but it was never explained AFAIK. Even at my tender age it was clear to me TB2 could not be supersonic. Great design idea though. Reminded me, in concept, of the S-64 Skycrane helicopter.

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Wasn't there a fixed wing transport prototype with a similar cargo pod too?

From the wikipedia article, linked above in the OP, about special effects:

Quote:

Meddings' solution was to construct a belt of canvas, stretched over rollers and driven by an electric motor. The miniature elevator cars were then fixed in position by fine wires on this "rolling road". The Fireflash model was suspended from wires above the elevator cars and it could be lowered onto the runway, creating a smooth and remarkably convincing descent effect. A similar roller system, painted with a sky background was built at right angles to the runway, and both roller motors were synchronised to provide a matching speed for both elements.

Sound familiar?



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
I don't think they ever showed TB4 being recovered

They must have left a few dozen pods floating around the oceans, too.

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
Even at my tender age it was clear to me TB2 could not be supersonic.

And I noticed that, though TB1 clearly was much faster, TB2 always arrived about two minutes later, no matter how far they'd flown.

Quoting DHHornet (Thread starter):
A 45 year old who has never grown up!

Ditto (give ot take a couple of years), and Thunderbirds is largely responsible. I still watch the DVDs from time to time. CGI does a great job these days but Gerry Anderson's crew produced such fantastic models.  biggrin 


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

5000mph!

Thunderbird 1 was better, it flew at a mighty 15,000mph! There are more important questions to ask about Thunderbird 1 than Thunderbird 2. For example, what is it for?! It flew very fast, then they got the desk out, then they waited for Thunderbird 2 to come and sort the job out. Also, how did they even get the desk out, it was massive!


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
5000mph!

Thunderbird 1 was better, it flew at a mighty 15,000mph!

Why didn't they just consolidate the two designs? Like this...

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade.shtml


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
5000mph!

Yet it taxied at walking pace for what seemed like ages, passing all the folding palm trees to the launch ramp. Gerry Andersen had a great sense of the dramatic. Must have had, to create a puppet show we're all still talking about.

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
Why didn't they just consolidate the two designs? Like this...

Or like this:

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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4653 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Big fan of thunderbird 2 myself, lovely ship.

A few refinements and It would work without a doubt !



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 7):
Or like this

Try flying that back to Tracy Island after a mission.  Smile


User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting DH106 (Reply 2):
I loved the Fire Flash airliner seen in a few episodes - with the cockpit set into the base of the fin

Yes she was very nice!

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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Pfssh! You nerds  Yeah sure

Now THIS would have some ramp appeal:



 mischievous 


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 11):

Now THIS would have some ramp appeal:

Yeah. Instead of gates you would have racks to hang them on.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 12):
Yeah. Instead of gates you would have racks to hang them on.

 rotfl 


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

We'd be waiting a long time for nuclear reactors in planes.. It'd be quite heavy! Just imagine a crash with one of these..

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 3):
What was the tailplane all about?

I have some books.. It is part of the propulsion.

Quote:
Four tailplane-mounted turbo-jets provide power at cruising speed (2000 mh)

"The complete book of Thunderbirds" - Chris Bently published 2000

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
They must have left a few dozen pods floating around the oceans, too.

They do show the pilot of TB4 - Usually Gordon in the cockpit after missions.. And it's always "full" flying home. Brains must have thought of some ingenious way of getting it back up.. magnets?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
And it's always "full" flying home.

True.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
I have some books

Such as? Not for me, you understand but... er... for a friend.  angel 


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4012 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
We'd be waiting a long time for nuclear reactors in planes.. It'd be quite heavy! Just imagine a crash with one of these..

Nuclear reactors have already flown in aircraft  Smile


User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Always felt a bit sorry for the poor sod posted to TB5 - being in orbit seemed pretty lonely and isolated, never seemed to get "shore leave".

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 15):



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
"The complete book of Thunderbirds" - Chris Bently published 2000

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-...UTF8&s=books&qid=1182059932&sr=1-4

Hope that helps. No picture, but it is the same as mine, just revised and hardback.

Quoting Moo (Reply 16):
Nuclear reactors have already flown in aircraft

Used as the primary propulsion?

More info:

TB2 can fly to 100,000ft, although this is false asit flies into space for an episode or two

Engines: 2 variable-cycle gas turbine engines operating as turbofans at low speed and supersonic combustion ram jets at high speed

12 variable-cycle turbo-ram cruise/trim jets in tailplane

4 VTO turbofan jets in main body
4 VTO take off chemical rockets in landing legs

Info from another book - Thunderbirds FAB cross sections - Graham Bleathman

http://www.amazon.com/Thunderbirds-F...UTF8&s=books&qid=1182060660&sr=1-1

Quoting RC135U (Reply 17):
Always felt a bit sorry for the poor sod posted to TB5 - being in orbit seemed pretty lonely and isolated, never seemed to get "shore leave".

lol and when he did, something went wrong up there

[Edited 2007-06-17 08:13:26]


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 18):
Hope that helps.

Thanks. I'll take a look let that person know about them.  innocent 


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