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User currently offlineChristianbothe From Germany, joined Jan 2000, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

Hi,
Could anyone please tell me who makes up all the names for the intersections of IFR navigation (i.e. intersections between those routes printed on the maps defined by a heading and a VOR)? Some even make sense, like TULIP which is just off the Dutch coast, but others make me think of fantasy authors trying to find names for their elves and trolls  Big grin ...

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy christian

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User currently offlineStallspeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Here in the states the fix, or intersection, can be named for almost anything. Quite often they are named for towns in which they are near. Example MAIER is over Mayer Arizona and AVONA is over Avondale Arizona. Other intestections are named for people. HAILE near San Diego California was named for a local woman that was a pilot back when there weren't many women flying. It is my understanding that KRANT intersection in Maryland was named for the late aviation Journalist Max Karant.
Sometimes the names are just proof that there are JUST a few at the FAA that have a sense of humor. GPS RWY 16 at KPSM
(IAF) ITAWT next fix ITAWA (FAF) PUDYE (MAP) TTATT. So now say them all together and you get the cartoon character Tweety Bird.
ITAWT ITAWA PUDYE TTATT.

Salud!
Don


User currently offlineMightyFalcon From Oman, joined Jun 2001, 384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12400 times:

Hi Christian,

Not only Don's explanation is correct but it applies for almost every single country. The routes are created by the local civil aviation authority and when new intersections are to be named, they just choose whatever they want.

There is one single rule to follow when you have to name an intersection fix: the use of 5 lettres only. That being said it's up to you to choose the name.

One more point: with the improvement and better reliability of the navigation equipment (INS, GPS...), routes are no longer based on VORs only. You can get a thousand mile-route with several intersections and no nav beacon.

Regards,
MightyFalcon



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User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 12388 times:

For us corporate pilots airways are all but a thing of the past. With the advent of long range nav systems (GPS, and previously Loran and CLCs) it is the norm to get direct clearances nearly everywhere. I honestly can't remember when the lastime I was cleared via an airway. Typically we will file directly to a latitude/longitude coordinate that correspondes to a fix on a STAR or to a point on the arrival gate for where ever it is that we happen to be going. For example, we are based in Oregon and we frequently fly to Teterboro, NJ. I will file direct to Wilkes Barre then via the Wilkes Barre 3 arrival to TEB. We get that routing everytime. The key is that we typically operate at FL370 or FL410 eastbound and FL390 or FL430 westbound. ATC is very accomodating when it comes to direct routings when you're operating at FL370 or higher. We've had these higher flight levels pretty much to ourselves until fairly recently, but now we're starting to see more and more air carriers up there. It was actually pretty amazing that there were so few domestic airliners even equipped with the long-range nav equipment that would allow them to take advantage of direct routings. Even now, a large number of them are still dependent upon radar vectors from ATC.

User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12384 times:

Other interesting names for intersections are Pickn and Grnin on the Hehaw 3 arrival into Nashville. There's a lot of really humorus ones out there, it evident that the FAA and ATC people have a pretty good sense of humor. A few years ago, when the FAA commissioned a couple of RNAV approaches at our airport, I was asked to submit a list of potiental intersection names for the approaches. As I remember, they had to be 5 letters and they wanted the names to reflect things identifyable with local points of interest. This isn't always done, for example going into Newton, Iowa there is a Matag intersection on the ILS Runway 32 approach. Newton is where Maytag appliances are built. Sure sounds like a "paid" advertisement to me.

User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

A few more good ones:

The MAP on the RNAV 28 approach to KLAF (Purdue University Airport): PRDUE

The Southern Indiana city that Larry Bird is from has 2 "the Larry Bird" approach, featuring consecutive intersections "LARRY" and "BIRRD" (not sure if that's how they spelled Bird with 5 letters or not)

Aretz airport in Lafayette, IN, didn't have an instrument approach for many years. The woman who ran the airport tried for a long time to get an approach commissioned, until the FAA finally stopped resisting and caved into her demands. The FAF on the VOR-C that was created was aptly named "PUSHY" in honor of her demands.


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12374 times:

Here's a few more good ones:

-Near Hannibal, Missouri, the birthplace of Mark Twain is TWAIN

-Just southwest of downtown New York City is APPLE

-Over what I'm pretty sure is the San Mateo Bridge in the San Francisco Bay on approach to 28R is BRIJJ

-Northwest of Chicago O'Hare airport is SEXXY

Nick


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12370 times:

How about the Crazy Woman VOR - Named after Sophie perhaps?

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12365 times:

I friend of mine design a approach FMC 24 into EWR and they named a fix after him.
Iain


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12354 times:

Yeah, naming intersections after local landmarks is pretty common. Near Seattle we have:

AUBRN - Over the city of... Auburn
ELMAA - Over the city of... Elma
GLASR - Near Glacier Peak
SNOMY - Snoqualmie (I think)
BLAKO - Over the city of... Black Diamond
SANDR - Near Sanderson, WA
ISLND - Near Whidbey Island

You get the idea.

Others, though, I have no idea about. i.e., JAWBN (Jawbone intersection) near Port Angeles. Hmmm...


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

Just curious, what the name?

Nick

P.S. This is not about fixes, but does anyone know how EWR's Arthur Kill Two Departure got it's name?


User currently offlineEWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

Probably because it departs over the Arthur Kill channel.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12335 times:

GoBoeing, his name is Bouck. It is the orbie FMC runeay 24 (I think).
Iain


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 12313 times:

The FMS approach to 28R at SFO has intersection F101D. I assume this name is related to highway 101 that runs parallel to the airport.

User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

I was told one year a while back there were many new intersections created, so they took everyone in the FAA with a 5 letter last name and named one after each of them.

College towns sometimes have ones named after them.
Down by Kansas City, there is one called JYHWK after the KU Jayhawks. I think that is how it is spelled anyway.


User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

There are at least 2 "Purdue-themed" fixes here in the West Lafayette area. As I said before, we have PRDUE as a MAP on the RNAV28, and the local VORTAC is "Boiler" after the Boilermakers (the only college mascot, I believe, to be named for an alcoholic beverage).

User currently offlineJabpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

Budde is the Outer Marker for the rwy.8 ILS to BUR and is named for the Anheiser Busch Brewery. Also on the arrival Toaks for Thousand Oaks. Coming in on the VOR rwy.8 approach there's Suana and Canog named for the Santa Suzana pass and Canoga Park. Flying into Oxnard (OXR) the VOR rwy.7 approach, coming in over the Pacific, there's Ancap for Anacapa Island and Squid.

Jeff



User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 12284 times:

One of the ILS's in Kansas City (MCI) has SPICY BARBQ RIBBS


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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

There's RIPKN on the way into Baltimore. And Christianbothe forgot the funniest part of PSM's Tweety Bird - the intersection one flies to on a missed approach.. IDEED!

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