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PPL - Drug Test Involved In Medical?  
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17844 times:

So, just wondering, as part of the medical to start training to get your private pilots license, do you have to undergo a drug test? If so, (hypothetically), if one were to take only 4 or 5 hits off a joint on thursday night, and the drug test was, say, 9 days later, would it show up?

Cheers,
Kyle

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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17846 times:
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I don't recall needing a drug test for my class 2 medical (UK). Can't speak for other medicals.

9VSIO



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17874 times:

For a 3rd class medical here in the USA, A drug test is not involved. However, urinary samples are taken, tested, and you must by law document your (if any) criminal record.

Obviously, that kind of behavior for a pilot is highly immature and not responsible. I wouldn't ask that kind of hypothetical question in this day and age. Be careful.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors!

Respectfully,

Highflyer



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 2):
For a 3rd class medical here in the USA, A drug test is not involved. However, urinary samples are taken, tested, and you must by law document your (if any) criminal record.

The urine samples are drug tests though, but it looks like our OP isn't in the USA.


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17859 times:

Not smart. AI do not personally endorse the uise of any mind altering substance except for drinking and even than not within 12 hours bottle to throttle.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17842 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 4):
even than not within 12 hours bottle to throttle.

And that depends on how quick you recover from hangovers.  Smile

But to the OP: Basically coming onto a world wide site admitting your use of drugs isn't smart. You never know who's reading what, possible employers, etc. regardless of whether or not you plan to become a pilot. I had a non-aviation job 2 years ago where the hiring manager was an A.netter. About a week after I started the job I went into his office one day and he was on mil/space forum typing away. You never know when something like that could come back to haunt you.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17826 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 2):
Obviously, that kind of behavior for a pilot is highly immature and not responsible. I wouldn't ask that kind of hypothetical question in this day and age. Be careful.

Don't think we can say it better. If you have to ask this question, you arn't ready to be in command of an aircraft.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2866 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17774 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
If so, (hypothetically), if one were to take only 4 or 5 hits off a joint on thursday night, and the drug test was, say, 9 days later, would it show up?

Stupid move kyle. Why would you even risk it?



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17747 times:

Possibly, depending on what test they do. Drugs pass through different bodily systems at different rates. A UA might come up clean a couple of weeks post usage but some drugs can be detected through other test types months later. Bottom line-if you do drugs and want to get employed in a safety sensitive area, get off the drugs. If you're wanting to get on with an air carrier, railroad or major truck/bus line, they will find out about your drug usage eventually. As one person mentioned, you don't know who monitors these boards. As a railroader, I do know that the Class One railroads monitor the various railroad related sites.


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User currently offlineOnetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17690 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
The urine samples are drug tests though

False.


User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17628 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):

The urine samples are drug tests though, but it looks like our OP isn't in the USA.

Not on the medical, they just test kidney function.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
but it looks like our OP isn't in the USA.

Yeah he is, his flag is just different.


User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17506 times:
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Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
If so, (hypothetically), if one were to take only 4 or 5 hits off a joint on thursday night, and the drug test was, say, 9 days later, would it show up?

To answer this specific question, and not comment on the larger issue...

Unfortunately cannabis is one of the things detectable for the longest time after use. After a single use, expect 7-14 days before you're urine is "clean." If you've used on a semi-regular basis, you’ll need 30-60 days between your last use and the test.

If you're abusing heroin, OTOH, your urine will be clean in a couple of days, LSD a day, and Cocaine, no more than four days.

OK, so to comment on the larger issue a *bit,* and strictly considering impairment, I'd rather be flying with a pilot who smoked two or three joints 12 hours before the flight than one who downed a six pack at that time...


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17419 times:

Seeing that you're from Germany makes me wonder if you have been hanging out with Sabena332 too much  wink 

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17415 times:

I have always been under the impression that the urine tests during the flight physical were solely to check for sugar (or maybe starches?) in the urine.

User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17394 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 14):
I have always been under the impression that the urine tests during the flight physical were solely to check for sugar (or maybe starches?) in the urine.

And excellence as well which I tend to piss quite well it seems.  Wink Just kidding do not flame me.



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17346 times:

No prejudices or judgements here, but nice way to start your PPL!
 Wink

When I did my PPL, there was an 8 hour no-alcohol rule, hell I didn't touch a beer that whole evening eventhough sometimes it was 18hours before...

Of course it was a bit too serious, but quite a difference in the approach!
Now after around 100hours I stick to 8.

Kay


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17326 times:

Our company rules are 12 botthe to throttle but when I am off from work it is about 3 bottles and she goes right for the throttle.  Wink

In all seriousnes though I find it unwise to admit to the use of narcotic substaqnce and currently you are in persuit of a PPL?? Bad idea man. Pick one or the otrher as I always tell my younger sister.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17144 times:

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 12):
OK, so to comment on the larger issue a *bit,* and strictly considering impairment, I'd rather be flying with a pilot who smoked two or three joints 12 hours before the flight than one who downed a six pack at that time...

How about this: don't pick between the two. Get a third pilot, a professional, to fly the plane.

This is reprehensible behavior, and I hope you either give up drugs or aviation, the sooner the better.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17099 times:

If this is a question you need to ask, in my opinion you're not ready for a PPL. Grow up, grow a pair and make a choice...drugs or flying.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17095 times:

I do hope that if you get your license your personal ethics will demand that you tell ALL possible passengers that you do occasionally smoke dope and give them the option of riding with you or not.

I'm pretty sure that if you ever have an incident, whether you had a part in the cause or not, you will probably be drug tested. Possibly GCMS on a hair sample which will look as far back in your life as the hair is old. Wear long hair? That could be a year or more.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17085 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
So, just wondering,

Or worrying?  mischievous 

Seriously dude, why risk screwing up your life (as if you haven't started screwing it up already)?

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 19):
Grow up, grow a pair and make a choice...drugs or flying.

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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17082 times:
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Interesting that he hasn't responded at all in this thread....maybe we are too late!


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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17081 times:

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 22):
Interesting that he hasn't responded at all in this thread....maybe we are too late!

Naaaah, he's probably taking time off to light up another smoky one Big grin


User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17030 times:

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 22):
maybe we are too late!

Maybe he's embarrassed.

Maybe it really was a hypothetical question and he's upset that everyone took it to mean that he's a pot head.

Or maybe he's in a corner somewhere, completely off his cake on goofballs, going "Duuuude. My hands are huge!"



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25 SlamClick : Rather like the guy who goes to a doctor and says: "My friend thinks he might have a venereal disease." Doctor says: "Well, why don't you just whip y
26 BAe146QT : Well yes, but I can afford to give him the benefit of the doubt. Just like my missus when she refers to herself as a "lady".
27 Post contains images FLY2HMO : I guess somebody in that position would've at least bothered with defending himself. I'm gonna give him a tiny, tiny benefit of the doubt just becaus
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