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Mx Personnell - Rise In Carrier  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

How high can a Licenced Personnell rise in his carrier in Maintenance.Is there any added qualification that can help the rise.Also at what position would one have to stop working on the Aircraft  Sad
I know its different at different places.I'd like to hear how its out there.
Thanks.
regds
MEL


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User currently offlineFr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5400 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

I started as a mechanic helper at PanAm. I'm now a Line Maintenance Manager (20 years later) at my current carrier.

In the intervening time I earned a Bachelor's Degree and am working towards an MBA. I've received training and held various qualifications on the B727, B747, B757, B767, DC8, A300, MD11, L-1011, DC9/MD8X.

I stopped working on aircraft when I was promoted to supervisor (union shop).

At most US airlines, the Director of Maintenance must hold an A&P certificate.



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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
How high can a Licenced Personnell rise in his carrier in Maintenance.Is there any added qualification that can help the rise.Also at what position would one have to stop working on the Aircraft
I know its different at different places.I'd like to hear how its out there.
Thanks.
regds
MEL

Hey MEL..here in The States if you work for a unionized operation working on aircraft stops the minute you take a supervisory job,I tried it about six years ago,the mone was good but I missed working on aircraft and returned to the line,maybe I'll try it again when I'm older and the winters are colder  Smile...even when I worked for a non-union outfit our manager spent more time shuffling papers than turning a wrench. Over here one can go work as an instructor,mx controller,supervisor,D.O.M. I guess we set our own limitations,I'm a believer in putting in for any extra training or qualifications that are offered,it helps make you competitive for another position and just gives additional job satisfaction.


User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1530 times:

A couple past VP's at UA started in a mechanic, or lower classification. It's been done in the past!


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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1526 times:

I went from maintenance engineer to QA Inspector Engines at that point I stopped working on planes....Then I left the company/

Seriously the president at the last company stated as a maintance engineer

GS



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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 3):
A couple past VP's at UA started in a mechanic, or lower classification. It's been done in the past

The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.


User currently offlineLegs From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Even though Im not working for an airline, things are much the same here as well, most of the senior maintenance management staff are ex-tech, and there is a few scattered thru the higher ranks as well.

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 5):
The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.

I'll agree with that, but only to a point, there is always exceptions to the rule!

[Edited 2007-08-02 10:02:47]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 5):
The best guys to work for are the "through the ranks" guys not the guys that hire right into a sup. spot.

Looks like thats very common Worldwide.
Practical experience counts.

Out here Since I started out as Aircraft Technician in 1996,rose to Sr Aircraft Tech,Trainee AME,Asst AME,AME,Sr AME,Station EM & now Maint Mgr.But I still work on the Aircraft only I now have a few more people below & a few less above.
Since I'm at an outstation,the paperwork is much less & for Major checks we keep moving to & fro as necessary.I Enjoy working on the Aircraft rather than signing & moving Paperwork & passing Instructions.But for my own Satisfaction I spend most time near the Aircraft.

I was thinking about doing an Aviation Management Degree,hoping that will help me in my carrier rise further.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

I'm working as a shift leader in line maintenance and occasionally supervise an A-check.
I found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole, enforcing stupid and unpopular descisions made by the bean counters above, which you would never support yourself.

Jan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole, enforcing stupid and unpopular descisions made by the bean counters above, which you would never support yourself.

Would that be termed Mgmt  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
I was thinking about doing an Aviation Management Degree,hoping that will help me in my carrier rise further

Been thinking the same ERAU has some good online programs.

Quoting Legs (Reply 6):
I'll agree with that, but only to a point, there is always exceptions to the rule!

Yep the foreman that knows all the tricks mechanics pull because they used to do the same things!!

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 8):
I found out though that from a certain level you'll have to become an @rsehole

True....one thing that happens once you move to a mgmt position is your relationship with co-workers does change.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):

In the US mgmt is usually any position above a Lead Mechanic or Lead Inspector. The tell tail is what they wear. Leads wear a mechanic uniform while Manager/Supervisor/Foreman and up wear street clothes of the biz world. Most larger airlines also have a good sized cadre of paperpusher types that may have a bunch of exAMTs. They are not considered mgmt because they don't have any personnel to manage. Their responsiblities might include tech pubs, maint control and planning. A lot of these positions are good stepping stones to mgmt.

As others have stated, get a degree. Most companies expect their managers to have at least a B.S. Next is very important, make a name for your self. In my travels I have rarely seen someone make manager that was of the, 'I come in everyday, just do what is asked and go home' type. The guys that get promoted are known, sometimes they get known for a big screwup, but later use that notoriety to move up. Most times though they are the 'goto guy'. They step up when they are needed. They are the type that know how to get a job done by finding solutions to obstactales.


User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1416 times:

At CO the minimum for MX supervisor is an A&P license and a B.A. in B.S. Brown nosing skills are a plus! Big grin


Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

I think I picked the wrong area of the aviation feild. (kicks self) Maybe I should have decided to turn fix em instead of break em for a living.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 11):
As others have stated, get a degree.

This is difficult over here, at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet. I've been looking for a university to do a remote course, but in Germany practically all universities only offer full time on campus courses. Also, the BA or BS is virtually unknown over here. You'll need to do at least a masteral.

Jan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet

Exactly what I was thinking.With me currently doing 5 nights/week.I don't mind putting in the extra effort needed.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
This is difficult over here, at least if you need to keep on working full time to make the ends meet

That is exactly why I got my BS with my AMT trainning. Have you looked into ERAU for online coursework? They have been catering to students from around the world for close to 50 years. They have closed many of the overseas centers do to US military base closeures, but to replace it they have expanded the online content.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 16):
Have you looked into ERAU for online coursework

Will check them out.
regds
MEL



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