JETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
I was just wondering, which aircraft have the heavy rating? Also what exactly does that mean for the aircraft procedures itself? I know u have to say the word heavy in the transmission, example. "DELTA 155 HEAVY, POSITION AND HOLD RUNWAY 24 LEFT" I believe the following aircraft have the heavy rating. Correct me if im wrong please!
So can someone explain what a heavy rating does for a aircraft and its procedures with the Air Traffic Control Tower and the Captain and First officer operating it? Special procedures? Thanking you in advance!
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SilentJC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
It's assigned to any aircraft with a gross take-off weight of 255,000lbs or more. It basically applies for any aircraft that will cause significant wake turbulence. Basically, anything from a Boeing 757 up...
Mark5388916 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
Not to nitpick, but even if it's a 757-200, it get spaced like a heavy and we small guys in RJs are warned of their wake turbulence. Also, some -200s have a higher gross weight than 255,000 that puts them in the heavy category.
As stated, there's a greater distance of spacing between heavy aircraft and large or light aircraft. I think it's five miles, but one of the resident controllers will have to chime in.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17882 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 3): Not to nitpick, but even if it's a 757-200, it get spaced like a heavy
Not to nitpick, but if it's a 757-200 it gets spaced like a 757. This means it's considered large when it's the trailing aircraft, and a 757 when it's the leading aircraft (more separation than a large, not as much as a heavy).
-Mir
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Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
I couldn't find anything in 7110 that stated anything other than spacing behind a heavy/B757.
After seeing what could happen to something that weighs 100k more than a 75 (like an A-300 does) behind a 747 I think I'd like a little more distance.
WingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1947 posts, RR: 57 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
Quoting SilentJC (Reply 1): It's assigned to any aircraft with a gross take-off weight of 255,000lbs or more.
SilverComet From Mauritius, joined Apr 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2270 times:
Quoting SilentJC (Reply 1): It's assigned to any aircraft with a gross take-off weight of 255,000lbs or more
It doesn't apply to your actual take off weight but the maximum certified take off weight of the aircraft, irrespective of the weight of the day (or maybe that's what you meant by gross?).
CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3355 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
When I was studying for my Airport Vehicle Operators Licence and my Radio licence, I remember the book saying that on the radio "Heavy" is added to the callsign of any aircraft over 300,000lbs.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17882 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2185 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 6): I couldn't find anything in 7110 that stated anything other than spacing behind a heavy/B757.
It's in 5-5-4-e through 5-5-4-f:
WAKE TURBULENCE APPLICATION
e. Separate aircraft operating directly behind, or directly behind and less than 1,000 feet below, or following an aircraft conducting an instrument approach by:
NOTE-
Consider parallel runways less than 2,500 feet apart as a single runway because of the possible effects of wake turbulence.
1. Heavy behind heavy- 4 miles.
2. Large/heavy behind B757- 4 miles.
3. Small behind B757- 5 miles.
4. Small/large behind heavy - 5 miles.
WAKE TURBULENCE APPLICATION
f. TERMINAL. In addition to subpara e, separate an aircraft landing behind another aircraft on the same runway, or one making a touch-and-go, stop-and-go, or low approach by ensuring the following minima will exist at the time the preceding aircraft is over the landing threshold:
NOTE-
Consider parallel runways less than 2,500 feet apart as a single runway because of the possible effects of wake turbulence.
1. Small behind large- 4 miles.
2. Small behind B757- 5 miles.
3. Small behind heavy- 6 miles.
So a large (like a 737) only gets 4 miles behind a 757, but 5 miles behind a heavy. A heavy behind a large would get 3 miles, but a heavy behind a 757 gets 4 miles.
-Mir
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HangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
I imagine the reasons for the increased separation between small aircraft and the 757 have been discussed before, but how about a quick refresher from someone.
I remember reading quite a lot about it when the phenomenon was first recognized. All I remember is that the 757 possesses some aerodynamic peculiarities that result in an exaggerated wake.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2443 posts, RR: 47 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 9): When I was studying for my Airport Vehicle Operators Licence and my Radio licence, I remember the book saying that on the radio "Heavy" is added to the callsign of any aircraft over 300,000lbs.
Your book is old...it used to be 300K, but was reduced to 255K a few years ago.
ATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1902 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Pip,
There are some times where we differentiate between a 757 or a Heavy.
Anywho on the whole 752/753 thing, the FAA's stance regarding the issue is that a B753 is a "Heavy" and will be marked H/B753 and a 757-200 is in its own class regarding wake turbulence applications. (Would be marked B752).
The weight categories are also a little misleading. The Saab 340 is considered a "Large" aircraft though its MGTOW is not more than 44,000lbs.
Keep the blue side up and green between!
ATCT
Ref: 7110.65, AIM PCG
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ATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1902 posts, RR: 48 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 16): So when I'm in my ERJ and trailing a 75, do you guys give me the same space that you would if I were following a 747?
Sort of. An ERJ (Large) behind a 757 (200) requires 4 miles seperation when the preceeding aircraft (the 75) crosses the runway threshold. So what we do is judge the speeds etc to make sure we never go below 4 miles seperation, and when that 75 is just over the runway, Bam! you hit exaclty 4 miles. Takes lots of practice. (Im horrible at it, but im not an approach controller).
Now say you are in trail behind a 767 or some other heavy (74 in yoru case), then everything is the same except we need 5 miles.
Have a gooden!
ATCT
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Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1767 times:
Thanks for the info! I'll probably be the one you are yelling at to keep my speed up for the next couple months depending on where you work.
CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3355 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 13): Your book is old...it used to be 300K, but was reduced to 255K a few years ago.
Well considering our youngest airplane is a 737-200 from 1980, the majority of our fleet is HS748s, and most of our ground equipment could pass as "classic", I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was an old book.
Thanks though, I'll start remembering it as 255 now.
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 18): I'll probably be the one you are yelling at to keep my speed up for the next couple months depending on where you work.
Will you be IOEing? If so, good luck.
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StrandedInBGM From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 300 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Mark5388916 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
Dw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1238 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1369 times:
Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 14): And for those of us in the 21st century......thats 136000kgs.
Not to nitpick... but if you are going to add a snide comment to a conversation, its always best to make sure you convert the right numbers... 136000kgs is 300,000lbs, not 255,000.
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, but 'heavy' is only up to ~1,000,000 lbs. Above that, it's called 'super'. See paragraph 8.a.3 of 
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