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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

I was just wondering about how hard it is to get aircraft parts across the Canada-USA border, Particularly between small float plane operators in British Columbia and larger ones in Washington State.

I was hearing about a part of a Beaver (Rudder Torque Tube) that wasn't allowed to be used on the aircraft of a Canadian aircraft, because it was driven through the border, after being purchased from Kenmore Air, without notice.

So how hard is it to get parts like this across the border? Aside from probably having to pay duty on it, what kind of security issues does importing parts propose?



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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

So long as the paperwork is filled out out correctly, there normally aren't too many things that hold a/c parts up. We receive stuff from other countries all the time (Germany, China, Brazil, France, Canada to name a few), and we also ship a lot out as well. Every now and then there is a typo and something gets held up. What I have seen here in the US is there is a major difference in Customs clearance time depending on the city the part is coming into.

Considering that my airline uses ACTS for a lot of the component repairs, there is a lot of movement between Canada and the US for us and there are minimal issues that we encounter with those shipments. Most of the time if there is an issue it isn't with the shipment but with the actual cert with the component.

That's just my experiences though...I am sure some folks on here have some really good horror stories LOL!



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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Thread starter):
after being purchased from Kenmore Air, without notice.

That's the problem, No Notice. If they have an import permit they are still obliged to give notice of an import (driving it across the boreder may seem to speed things up, but....... as you pointed out. Now they can't use it).

I deal with this a lot with having parts repaired in the US and then shipped back to Can, and don't even start on ITAR issues. Or sending parts to fix a Can a/c broken down in the States, temp import permits etc, etc.

WrenchBender



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

When the L-1011 was still active with the first tier operators Lockheed had spare parts preposition at several sights around the world. If an operator needed one of these parts they could access it without the customs hassles and in most cases the part could be obtained faster than shipping it from the factory. Theses sites were in Amman (with Royal Jordanian), London (BA), Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific) and New York (TWA).

User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):

That's the problem, No Notice. If they have an import permit they are still obliged to give notice of an import (driving it across the boreder may seem to speed things up, but....... as you pointed out. Now they can't use it).

Precisely, but how much longer does it take to give the proper notice. How much effort does that take?



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13257 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 1889 times:
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Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
So long as the paperwork is filled out out correctly, there normally aren't too many things that hold a/c parts up. We receive stuff from other countries all the time (Germany, China, Brazil, France, Canada to name a few), and we also ship a lot out as well.

I agree. This is the first time I've heard of it being held up. Probably one piece of paper (and a tariff) wasn't taken care of. Heck, I've hand carried aircraft parts to get a plane off the ground! Now the TSA has my name on a list... (Said parts really confused them.) But the important part is that its worth a lot to get airframes flying again.

Now, I've never sent parts to Canada, so maybe they have out of date laws. That will only hurt their industries. Parts are parts and whenever an aircraft is grounded its worth a fortune to get new parts out fast! What really is important is part traceability. Hence why every vendor has such large bureaucracies to handle the paper. Now, I've always worked for large companies, so 24/7 we have staff trained to get parts *anywhere* fast with the required paper. (Thankfully its going electric and thus all that is required is part # and part s/n on the certification letter.) And I'm happiest not knowing the details.  Wink But I've found out FedEx has a dozen really expensive ways to expedite said parts. (On call trucks all the way to where they will take care of chartering the jet to get it there.) I've seen $25k freight bills to move a $15k part that anyone could lift.  Sad

So anyone who thinks sending aircraft parts without notice is unusual... doesn't know how the industry works.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
I've seen $25k freight bills to move a $15k part that anyone could lift.

That's kind of sad...

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
So anyone who thinks sending aircraft parts without notice is unusual... doesn't know how the industry works.

Very true. This operation that I have mentioned was unfortunate because they had an audit inspection the day after the part arrived, and they left it sitting out.  Yeah sure



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