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Who Invented The RAT? First Plane With?  
User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

hi everyone!

i was wondering WHO or WHICH company invented the RAT system? and also which airplane was the first to use... ?
i saw a pic of a phantom F4... with one!!
(when i mean which airplane was the first to use the RAT system, i mean both military/civil airplanes)

Greetings

Claude  Smile

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Cue 2H4's photo of a Piper J-3 Cub with a slipsteam driven generator in 3...2...1....  Wink


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6228 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Cue 2H4's photo of a Piper J-3 Cub with a slipsteam driven generator in 3...2...1....

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edit: Actually, to help answer the original question, I found a photo of a de Havilland DH.4 (first produced 1917) with not one but TWO ram air turbines:

http://i11.tinypic.com/4t5mk5d.jpg




Additionally, Igor Sikorsky's Ilya Murometz, built in 1913 or 1914, reportedly used a RAT to power electric lighting, though I can't seem to find any photographic evidence of one.


2H4



[Edited 2007-09-12 00:22:04]


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User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

hi... for the piper and the Ilya Murometz, isn't it a generator which is use alsi during the flight like a dynamo for few electric energy? i mean in m mind the RAT is here when you loose "all" engines... i guess on these 2 airplanes you can still control your flight...

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

The Zeppelin's electric power supply also came from a ram air turbine.

Jan


User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Obviously not the first, but so did the ME-163 Schwalbe. It had a tiny little prop on the nose that drove a generator and provided all the aircraft's power.


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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Hello All,

I believe the first commercial jet airliner to have the RAT was the L1011. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

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RATs have been used on military aircraft, as noted, for quite some time. They have also been used to power refueling pods and target tow reels.

Regards,

EasternSon



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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 6):
I believe the first commercial jet airliner to have the RAT was the L1011. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Well the VC-10 had a RAT and I believe that predates the L1011

Littlevc10


User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Quoting VC10 (Reply 7):
Well the VC-10 had a RAT and I believe that predates the L1011

I stand corrected. You are right on both the RAT and the pre-dating.

Thanks,

EasternSon



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User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5861 times:

Easternson and VC10 thanks a lot!  Smile

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

It seems the first plane with an emergency RAT was the XF-84H Thunderscreech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF-84H



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17000 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 5):
Obviously not the first, but so did the ME-163 Schwalbe. It had a tiny little prop on the nose that drove a generator and provided all the aircraft's power.

Just a nitpick. The Me-163 was "Komet". The Me-262 was "Schwalbe" (Swallow). Of these, the Komet had a little prop for power generation.



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

Quoting Starlionblue:
Just a nitpick. The Me-163 was "Komet".

You are, of course, correct. Got the nicknames mixed up. I was indeed referring to the 163 Komet.



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User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2684 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting VC10 (Reply 7):
Well the VC-10 had a RAT

Did the VC-10 have two RATS? The ELectrical Ram Air Turbine (ELRAT) and the HYdraulic Ram Air Turbines (HYRAT)?

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Incidentally, over in the "loudest aircraft" thread, HangarRat posted about the XF-84H.

According to the Wikipedia article that HR referenced, this plane was the first to ever be equipped with a RAT;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF-84H

Is it possible that we should differentiate between the sort of RAT used a part of the aircraft's normal equipment, (like on the ME-163, or 2H4's Piper Cub and DH.4 up there), and the sort of RAT that is only deployed in an emergency (like on a 757)?

I appreciate that they do the same job, but clearly it's under different circumstances. I think that might have been the point that Claude was making in post 3 of this thread.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 14):
Incidentally, over in the "loudest aircraft" thread, HangarRat posted about the XF-84H.

According to the Wikipedia article that HR referenced, this plane was the first to ever be equipped with a RAT;

See post 10  Wink



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 14):
See post 10

Totally missed that in my haste to post.  Wink



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