Claude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5210 times:
hi everyone!
i was wondering WHO or WHICH company invented the RAT system? and also which airplane was the first to use... ?
i saw a pic of a phantom F4... with one!!
(when i mean which airplane was the first to use the RAT system, i mean both military/civil airplanes)
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5929 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5201 times:
Cue 2H4's photo of a Piper J-3 Cub with a slipsteam driven generator in 3...2...1....
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2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1): Cue 2H4's photo of a Piper J-3 Cub with a slipsteam driven generator in 3...2...1....
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edit: Actually, to help answer the original question, I found a photo of a de Havilland DH.4 (first produced 1917) with not one but TWO ram air turbines:
Additionally, Igor Sikorsky's Ilya Murometz, built in 1913 or 1914, reportedly used a RAT to power electric lighting, though I can't seem to find any photographic evidence of one.
Claude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5107 times:
hi... for the piper and the Ilya Murometz, isn't it a generator which is use alsi during the flight like a dynamo for few electric energy? i mean in m mind the RAT is here when you loose "all" engines... i guess on these 2 airplanes you can still control your flight...
BAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5057 times:
Obviously not the first, but so did the ME-163 Schwalbe. It had a tiny little prop on the nose that drove a generator and provided all the aircraft's power.
EasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 660 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4902 times:
Hello All,
I believe the first commercial jet airliner to have the RAT was the L1011. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
RATs have been used on military aircraft, as noted, for quite some time. They have also been used to power refueling pods and target tow reels.
Regards,
EasternSon
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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15869 posts, RR: 66 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4512 times:
Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 5): Obviously not the first, but so did the ME-163 Schwalbe. It had a tiny little prop on the nose that drove a generator and provided all the aircraft's power.
Just a nitpick. The Me-163 was "Komet". The Me-262 was "Schwalbe" (Swallow). Of these, the Komet had a little prop for power generation.
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Is it possible that we should differentiate between the sort of RAT used a part of the aircraft's normal equipment, (like on the ME-163, or 2H4's Piper Cub and DH.4 up there), and the sort of RAT that is only deployed in an emergency (like on a 757)?
I appreciate that they do the same job, but clearly it's under different circumstances. I think that might have been the point that Claude was making in post 3 of this thread.
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