QF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 321 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11803 times:
I have a question regarding airports and curfews, using my nearest airport as an example, SYD has a curfew for aircraft above a certain size from 11pm. Im pretty sure that aircraft can depart shortly after 11 as long as they have received clearance before then. But what exactly is the rules for inbound aircraft, is it wheels on the runway, landing clearance from the tower, or when they pull into the gate. I know that I think there is a DJ flight from the Gold Coast that tends to cut it close quite regularly.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11712 times:
Rules for curfews vary widely.
San Diego (SAN) is open 24/7 for landings, but is restricted for take-offs - no stage two aircraft from 2200 to 0700, and no stage three aircraft from 2330 to 0630.
Orange County airport (SNA) is closed for take-offs AND landings from 2200 to 0700, if I have it correct. SNA has to be the most restricted airport, as any violations of either the curfew or noise reduction after take-off are basis for loss of slots.
Some airports have voluntary restrictions - LAX is known for late night arrivals from the west (from over the ocean), instead of the usual descent over the metro area, but having arrived twice from Hawai'i on red-eye flights, I know that at about 5:30 AM that switches back to the more popular westbound arrival/departure route.
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Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2045 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11704 times:
It varies according to airport as to who can land when. And there are different levels of clearance as well. In Toronto the quietest of planes can land and take off prior to 7am. For everyone else it is 7am. So there are a number of flights that pushback from the gate at 6:55am and taxi for takeoff. The curfew here doesn't mean a plane can't land, it means they pay a penalty if they land after the curfew. There are exceptions for emergencies. There are also exceptions for unusual circumstances. Recently there have been some security delays at YYZ involving flights with secondary searches at the gate. Some of the planes left after the curfew. At YYZ the curfews are all noise related and the departure paths are heavily regulated. There are a number of cargo flights that leave after curfew and I am not sure what their arrangement is.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2425 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11650 times:
Quoting QF108 (Thread starter): But what exactly is the rules for inbound aircraft, is it wheels on the runway, landing clearance from the tower, or when they pull into the gate.
The usual rule around the world is common sense. If an aircraft has been lined up on the ILS and ETA is 1 minute into the curfew, I wouldn't be so pedantic to take it out of of the sequence and request it to divert.
The exact time of the curfew has been written down to assist with the scheduling so that no one schedules anything to land/depart in the period concerned. And that's ETA and ETD, generally interpreted as the touch down time and the line up time respectively. In practice, a few minutes either way is not a major concern.
Thanks for clearing that up, with governments making the rules you just never know ! What actually got me thinking about this was an incoming aircraft to runway 07 into SYD on Sunday about 5 minutes to 11.
Smithfly114 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 232 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11367 times:
All I know is that for airports in the US, with Federal obligations, it is technically illegal and the FAA could sue the airport operator and win. Airports with Federal obligations can in no way discriminate on the type or frequency of aircraft that can safely use the airport.
Boston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11181 times:
Right now, at SBA, the airport closes to all traffic at 10pm due to runway construction. This has directly affected two flights, a UAX flight from DEN that arrived at 10:20 and a US flight that arrived at 1:07a. No word (at least that I know of) of when the construction is scheduled to be completed.
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Flyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11163 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 6): The usual rule around the world is common sense. If an aircraft has been lined up on the ILS and ETA is 1 minute into the curfew, I wouldn't be so pedantic to take it out of of the sequence and request it to divert
Unfortuately common sense is not that common. I remeber hearing/reading a situation with a late night QF arrival. The aircraft would have missed curfew by 30 seconds, and therfore had to return to its destination.
He means aircraft with certain noise level. Stage 2 (or ICAO Chapter 2) aircraft are considerably louder than the usual Stage 3 (or ICAO Chapter 3) aircraft, and the upcoming Stage 4 (or ICAO Chapter 4) is even quieter than Stage 3.