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Night Taxing And Flying  
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Is it usual to fly at night without exterior lights. I remember a few a years ago, on a flight to Japan, we took off from JFK and looking out the windows, I didn't see any lights on the wing.


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User currently offlineZiggy From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

CFR 91.209 states
No person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticolision lights. HOWEVER the anticolision lights need not be lighted when the pilot in command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

It's 14 CFR 91.209  Big thumbs up and in addition to what you stated, it also says that any aircraft operated between sunset and sunrise must have lighted position lights.

CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations, not the FAR (Federal Aviation Regulations). Title 14 of the CFR is the FAR.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineWJV04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

i think he means landing lights, and yes that would be a comon pratice
cya


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Also, it's not always possible to see the exterior lights from the interior. You couldn't see them in a Cessna were it note for those little plastic tubes on the wingtip.


Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineOldman From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

When flying thru dense clouds or fog and the wing tip lights or rotating beacon or strobe lites are causing a reflection into the cockpit you turn them off. Regards Oldman

User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Rotating beacon?????? NEVER !!! Same for NAV lights.

Strobes....yes

And as far as taking of without landing lights....no its not a common practice.....I have never seen it and have never heard of it.

JET



User currently offlineOldman From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

In the clouds who will see the rotating beacon? If they are that close it's to late..

The aircraft I retired from had strobe nav lites.

I have taken off with out landing lights although not a common practise, under conditions such as dense fog ie: 300 rvr or blowing snow will definately afford you more forward visibility and better direction control. Regards, Oldman


User currently offlineOldman From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1486 times:

I made a mistake in the previous reply. The aircraft that I retired from did not have strobe (colored) nav. lites. Just strobe (white) flashers on the wing tips that were turned off in reduced vis at night. Sorry, Oldman

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

I have also taken off at night without using landing lights. Also, once inawhile, the "rotating" (most newer ones don't rotate anymore  Big thumbs up) beacon does get annoying in reduced vis at night and I'll turn it off, though it doesn't happen very often.

 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1465 times:


This brings up an interesting question:

14 CFR 91.205 states that in order to fly VFR at night, you must have, among other things:

Approved position lights (navigation lights - or the red and green running lights on either wingtip, a rotating red beacon and a white tail light)

An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system.

And if the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.

Now, does this mean that you have to use them? Or does it mean that the aircraft has to be merely equipped with them? Is it any different for IFR flight?



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

I've been told that landing lights are required below FL100, and all the others- strobes, nav, and taxi lights are "as required". Hmmm...

-Notar520AC



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User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Landing lights arent required below 10,000 (theres no FL100).

It's in the AIM and it's recommended. Below 10,000 AGL and within 10 nm of an airport if I remember correctly.

Nav lights need to be on one hour after evening civil twilight and one hour after morning civil sunrise.

JET


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

hey Jetpilot,

No FL100, Are you joking, the PANS recommend that the transition altitude is the lowest possible altitude, but preferably not under 3000 ft. In Most countries, the transition alt. and thus also level is situated WELL below 10000ft.

By the way, ALWAYS put on your NAV lights for safety, do not depart (even in general aviation) without the Beacon light. Just plain sense and airmanship.



Shiek!
User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:


For the past while, AOPA has favored a concept called "operation lights on." Where all operational lights are turned on, including the nav and anti-collision, day or night. I think it's a great idea, except I think I'd still follow the rule where you only use your landing light within 10 NM of the airport during the day. Landing lights burn out easily, at least in the airplanes that I'm flying right now.



Jack @ AUS
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