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ATC Talk: What Does "with India" Mean?  
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19864 times:

Pilots sometimes append "with india" when they talk to the ATC. What does it mean?

-Jasp


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19897 times:

Thats the pilots telling the ATC the most recent ATIS they've heard. You'll hear " with india, juliet, kilo, zulu, bravo etc..

User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19901 times:

"With India" means that you have the current WX (metars) and airport Notams updates. The letter will change with each new revision or update so that you know if you have the most current. The next one after india would be information juliet.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9228 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19874 times:

The ATIS received, local WX conditions at the airport received by the pilots by listening to ATIS radio frequency or ACARS.


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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19866 times:

"with ____" (some letter of the phonetic alphabet) is a way for the pilot to indicate to ATC the most recent ATIS (automatic terminal information service) they've received. ATIS contains weather information usually, as well as any other important information.

User currently offlineIPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19861 times:

Most major airports broadcast an Automated Terminal Information System (ATIS) which is a pre-recorded message that provides current weather conditions and active runway information. Pilots listen to this because it saves time and workload of having controllers repeat the same information over and over to each aircraft. The ATIS broadcast is obviously updated fairly frequently so that it stays current, and it's identified by the alphabet. If the first ATIS of the day is "a", or "alpha", when it's updated it will be "b" or "bravo", then "charlie", "delta", etc., until it rolls over back to alpha. When a pilot contacts ATC and says his callsign "with India", he's telling the controller that he's listened to the "India" ATIS broadcast, so the controller knows he's been advised of weather and any special conditions. If the controller responds "Juliette is current", it means the ATIS message has been updated since the pilot listened to it, and he should listen to the updated broadcast.

[Edited 2007-09-25 06:24:25]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19844 times:

With (insert a letter from the ICAO phonetic alphabet here) means that the aircraft checking in has received that version of the ATIS (Automated Terminal Information System) broadcast. This is to prevent approach and/or the tower from repeating tons of redundant (but important for flight safety) information to every aircraft that checks in on frequency...If, for example, an aircraft checks in with ATIS information India, and the tower has just updaed the ATIS recording to information Juliet, then the controller that the flight checks in with would be required to give that flight the information in the Juliet ATIS recording.

Normally, ATIS recordings are updated every hour, unless there are significant changes (fronts blowing through, rapidly changing weather, rapid barometric pressure changes, etc.).

Edit: D'oh! J comes after I (not K).

[Edited 2007-09-25 06:27:25]


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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19789 times:

Ahh so basically it's just like an identifying code that "india" is the ATIS advisory the pilot listened and the ATC can advise the crew if that is the latest ATIS advisory.

Wow, you guys beat Google! I was trying to google it up too but I know I can always get help here on A.Net when it comes to aviation stuff.

Thanks for the quick responses guys!

-Jasp



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21851 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19782 times:

It means that they have the ATIS for the airport that they're landing at. ATIS broadcasts are changed hourly (except in the case of rapidly changing weather), and each is assigned a letter of the phonetic alphabet. If a pilot calls up and gives the correct letter, ATC knows that the pilot has the most up-to-date information. If the pilot gives an out-of-date letter, ATC can tell them to get the more recent information. The letter cycles every hour, so after India would come Juliet, and then Kilo, and so on.

-Mir



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User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19774 times:

An example would be "LaGuardia ground, bluestreak **** at spot 24 ready to taxi and we have india". This is the controllers que that the pilot has the up to date conditions of the field pertenant to safe operation of the airplane. Alot of times when the information changes and you ahve already been issued a clearnce the controller will call and say to aircraft on frequenct tht new information is juliet which is the pilots que to go back over and check ATIS once more for furthur update.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19736 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 9):
the controller will call and say to aircraft on frequenct tht new information is juliet which is the pilots que to go back over and check ATIS once more for furthur update.

Which usually sounds something like "Attention all aircraft, information Juliet is now current..."



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19666 times:

My oh my you guys are quick.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
KcrwFlyer From United States, joined May 2004, 1693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:20:54 your local time (35 minutes 32 secs ago) and read 162 times:



Quoting Chris133 (Reply 2):
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Reply 2, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:21:12 your local time (35 minutes 14 secs ago) and read 162 times:



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Reply 3, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:21:48 your local time (34 minutes 38 secs ago) and read 162 times:



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Reply 4, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:22:46 your local time (33 minutes 40 secs ago) and read 152 times:



Quoting IPFreely (Reply 5):
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Reply 5, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:23:53 your local time (32 minutes 33 secs ago) and read 152 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
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Reply 6, posted Mon Sep 24 2007 23:24:26 your local time (32 minutes ago) and read 140 times:


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19630 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 11):
My oh my you guys are quick.

Hey, it was smack dab in the middle of prime time here on the West Coast and no teams I care about were on Monday Night Football  Wink



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1802 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19539 times:

I know your question was with the current information but India is also a designated taxi route (Indicated by the letter I).

Just for your quick information, I'll just list it right here:

Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, and Zulu.

Among these, Whiskey is my favorite.

The strange thing is, I have never heard information Whiskey before but I am sure it exists.

These codes are used in the military too I think (according to my friend in the Canadian military).



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User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19523 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 13):
The strange thing is, I have never heard information Whiskey before but I am sure it exists

Hear it all the time!! We even sometimes like to joke around with tower, and let them know we have the "booze news"



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User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19464 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 13):
The strange thing is, I have never heard information Whiskey before but I am sure it exists.

I have. It's great hearing "On first contact with XXXX tower, apron or approach, notify receipt of Whiskey."  Big grin



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19385 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 13):
I know your question was with the current information but India is also a designated taxi route (Indicated by the letter I).

Just for your quick information, I'll just list it right here:

Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, and Zulu.

These are not specific to ATIS or Taxiways. These are standard phonetic alphabets on the radio. Using these instead of spelling the actual alphabets removes any confusions between B & D or anything that may sound similar on radio. This makes the transmissions clearer and reduces the need for repeating instructions.



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User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19329 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 13):
I know your question was with the current information but India is also a designated taxi route (Indicated by the letter I).

Just for your quick information, I'll just list it right here:

Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, and Zulu.

Among these, Whiskey is my favorite.

The strange thing is, I have never heard information Whiskey before but I am sure it exists.

My favorite taxi route is here at DFW... we have a "pilots weekend" Golf Whiskey Golf. Also we have 17R KEG; Kilo, Echo Golf. Good Times!



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 18985 times:

Was it always Zulu? I thought it used to be Zebra....Old folks please help...

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 18924 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 18):

there have been a number of phonetic alaphabets over the years, although everyone seems to be mostly stardardized now. Wikipedia doen't seem to have too much, but it looks like it was part of the RAF WWII phonetic alphabet:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_phonetic_alphabet



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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18642 times:
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I'm surprised no one has brought that that old joke about "do you have hotel"....


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18640 times:

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 20):
I'm surprised no one has brought that that old joke about "do you have hotel"....

Please do elaborate Big grin



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18580 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 19):
19, posted Tue Sep 25 2007 13:31:23 your local time (6 hours 39 minutes 55 secs ago) and read 340 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 18):

there have been a number of phonetic alaphabets over the years, although everyone seems to be mostly stardardized now. Wikipedia doen't seem to have too much, but it looks like it was part of the RAF WWII phonetic alphabet:

Thanks for clarifying that! I probably remember it from my 'Biggles' books...  old 


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18461 times:

If you want to hear the live ATIS broadcast at Boston Logan, put this URL into your Winamp audio player

http://alt.liveatc.net/kbos_atis



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User currently offlineIaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18305 times:

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
Thanks for the quick responses guys!

don't encourage them too much, or this friday night they'll probably have some kind of ATIS alphabet spelling bee


25 Iaddca : it means we're not answering in an hour, because we'll be "with juliet"
26 Acey : ...not sure if it is still in action, but if one came at the correct time they could check in with Boston approach by saying, "at DRUNK with Whiskey".
27 Post contains images Citrus1 : I just can't believe, it took 26 replies to tell you it means I
28 ATCT : Anywho regarding ATIS's. They come up every hour, unless we have what is called a "SPECI" (or Special Weather). This is when conditions have changed e
29 J.mo : We get a few pilots who like to shortcut the whole "listening" part of getting the ATIS. They listen long enough to hear which letter is current, but
30 Post contains images GimliGlider : I've heard it plenty of times. One instance was on St. Patrick's day, really early in the morning: Tower: Attention all aircraft, ATIS information wh
31 Post contains images 2H4 : I once heard ATIS Papa....only the controller pronounced it "puh-PAH". Sure enough, each and every aircraft calling ground or tower reported having th
32 Mir : According to the 7110.65, the accent should be on the second syllable, even though very few actually say it that way. -Mir
33 Post contains images KELPkid : I got corrected once by the ABQ approach controller for referring to the aircraft I was flying (N2809Q) as "zero niner kwebec", instead of the proper
34 Post contains images N231YE : Speaking of ATIS...have any of you guys ever caught ATC "goofing off" in the backround (while the messgae was being taped)?
35 CosmicCruiser : Going into JFK once the ATIS had a happy birthday greeting to one of the controllers. Of course every jet that checked on wished a happy birthday to X
36 Pilotaydin : according to JAA, we aren't supposed to phrase anything "with...." it's information X,y,z onboard, and they dont like it when you say with so and so
37 Aauzou : Iv was tought the correct terminology in Australia anyways is received Romeo, but i always here people especially helicopter pilots using with Regards
38 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Every time I get information Whiskey I like to say "I've got the booze news". The controllers get a kick out of it
39 N710PS : Out spotting once at JFK with a few of our fellow Anet spotters I called ATIS on my cell and at the end it had some sort of statement like Pluto, plan
40 9VSIO : Here goes: Its over las vegas, information Hotel is current, and Mooney 33W is unfamiliar and talking to approach Approach: 33W, confirm you have hot
41 Starlionblue : Heh. Well, the proper French pronunciation is indeed with a silent "u". Thus "Kébek". A
42 71Zulu : Don't know how true they are, but saw something like this posted somewhere Pilot: Tower, Cessna 172 10 east for landing Tower: Cessna 172, do you have
43 APFPilot1985 : The AIM also says that five is supposed to be FIFE, three is TREE, nine is NINER, and one is WUN
44 EridanMan : At burning man every year, they put out an unofficial notam to all aviators which discuss traffic protocol and pattern altitudes. Every year the notam
45 SBBRTech : LOL,.... now seriously, how come a pilot gets a comercial license without mastering such terms?
46 Post contains images KELPkid : Thanks for sharing that one!
47 APFPilot1985 : At APF we have had the runways closed a few times recently for painting during the day for a couple of hours. Well about a month ago during one of th
48 Post contains images ATCT : Sounds like an operational deviation waiting to happen if ya ask me. Never ATCT
49 Post contains images N231YE : Never say never! Speaking of which, my University is having a University pilots versus TOL ATC football game (we use them a lot). I'm kinda scared, b
50 Threepoint : Who said anything about a commercial license? Plenty of private pilots talk to ATC.
51 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Anyone notice a trend in these posts.........a Mooney is always involved? Things that make ya go mmmmmm That is exactly correct but I prefer FIFER! Th
52 Post contains images ATCT : Hahahahahaha You think centurion pilots are any better ATCT Cub pilots have comething between their legs!
53 IAHFLYR : When we are flying them, maybe!
54 Post contains images Bond007 : Was that a Freudian slip LOL
55 IAHFLYR : Don't go there, let him think he did good and more! LMAO Hey ATCT better go record the D-ATIS now!
56 Post contains images ATCT : lol. "Houston Intercontinental Tower Informa......" ATCT (Should I go ask the pilot for some prop wash? or ask for the keys? move the zulu clock ahead
57 Post contains images KELPkid : Hey now... (okay, so I've only got 30 hours in the 210...)
58 2H4 : I sure hope you controllers aren't posting on A.net while on duty. I'd hate for you to see me on the scope and suggest deletion. 2H4
59 Post contains images KELPkid : "Mooney Two Hotel Four, radar services terminated. Squawk VFR, frequency change approved, good day, and check your six o'clock"
60 SeattleFlyer : My very first flying lesson, the instuctor, of couse, was doing all the radio work and said "with Yankee." I was a little offended - how dare he call
61 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Green label or Black label is the reply that would have been perfect! DIdn't you get the memo, internet connnectivity is alive and well with the new
62 Post contains images ATCT : Finally can get my revenge against the mods....Muahahaha! ATCT
63 Post contains images N231YE : Uh oh...I hope the FAA installs Parental Control and "Modesty Filters" on those computers
64 FlyUSCG : I was flying the Chesterfield 3 Arrival into CLT today and we have BOOZE intersection. Unfortunately haven't got any "proceed direct to BOOZE" instru
65 Babybus : I think in Muslim countries they have to say "Washington" rather than "Whisky" for obvious reasons. I know this applies to ship traffic but not sure
66 Post contains images Starlionblue : But is it Whisky or Whiskey?
67 Post contains images Lehpron : That just means there are a significant number of pilots here than any...I'm supposed to avoid the newtonian vs. bernoulli vs. downwash lift thing, h
68 2H4 : Once, I was taking a coworker up for his first flight in a small plane. His name was Mike. As we were returning to the airport, I got ATIS and advised
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