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A300/A310 Flap Settings On Takeoff  
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1190 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

As a regular spotter at SDF, I see UPS A300's depart all the time and have noticed that they often takeoff with their flaps up (although their leading-edge slats appear to be down, and a section of inboard flaps right behind the engines are down). I've also noticed the same thing in photos/videos with the Fokker 100. Does anyone know why they can takeoff with the flaps up? Is it due to the efficient A300 wing? Also, I've noticed that A300's also takeoff with their flaps down sometimes; for example, FX seems to always use flaps on takeoff, sometimes AA. But why do they only put the flaps down for takeoff occasionally?

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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9541 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

Some information here:

RE: Flapless Take- Offs (by IDISA Mar 9 2006 in Tech Ops)


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Quoting 747fan (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why they can takeoff with the flaps up?

Efficient wing as you say.

Quoting 747fan (Thread starter):
But why do they only put the flaps down for takeoff occasionally?

Depends on take-off weight and runway length. Higher weights require more flap. However a longer runway allows higher take-off speed, allowing less flap. In the latter case, climb speed is also higher.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
However a longer runway allows higher take-off speed, allowing less flap. In the latter case, climb speed is also higher.

I've noticed that A300's with the flaps down during takeoff tend to have a more sluggish climbout than when they use only the "flaperons" and slats. Those things really appear to climb like rockets when they takeoff "flapless." I wonder if this has to do with the higher takeoff speed?


User currently offlineBWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Quoting 747fan (Reply 3):

Flaps increase lift, but also increase drag. So, while flaps give you more lift at a lower speed letting you get off the runway faster, a flapless T/O has you flying at both a higher speed and a lower-drag configuration, so you climb faster after you manage to get off.



Regards, Brad Williams
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