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'F' Class 'J' Class Whats It All About?  
User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

It is only from being a member here on a.net that i hear regular referrals to the different seating on airlines as 'J' class and 'F' class etc. Until now ive always known it as Coach, First, Premium Economy and Business Class for example.

Can we please clear up what all of the classes are with the prefixes and what the letters really stand for ie: the 'J' in 'J' class.

Are there also letters to cover premium class, upper class, premier economy etc?

Thanks in advance of your views and replies.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

They are based on the codes used by the airlines to classify different fare levels. All the airlines have some variation in the fare class naming structure, but here's a basic layout:

F=first class
C=business class
J=business class
Y=full fare economy class
A,B,M,X,T etc=economy class



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3908 times:
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Every airline has different fare bases for each class of service, and while a few of them seem to be the same across the board (F for First Class and Y for full-fare Economy), they do vary a great deal.

Here in airliners.net, I usually see "F" standing for First Class, "C" and "J" for Business Class, and "Y" for Economy Class. The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
A,B,M,X,T etc=economy class

AFAIK AA, and I believe other US carriers, use "X" as the fare class for award travel regardless of cabin.

Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
Coach

This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

On oneworld carriers -

R = Supersonic Class (to 2003)
F = First
A = First (Around the world First Class tickets)
J = Business
D = Business (Around the world Business Class tickets)
I = Discounted Business
W = Premium Economy (BA)
Y = Economy
L = Economy (Around the world Economy Class tickets)

Many of the other letters are variations of discounts on Economy Class fares. No idea why particular letters were chosen for particuar fare classes though!



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Here is what I've found on DL so far:

A First
B Coach
F Coach
FY NRSA Standby, Seat Request
H Coach
J Business
K Coach, cheapest
L Coach
M Coach
N Coach
Q Coach
R First
T Coach, fully upgradeable
U Coach
V First
Y Coach, fully upgradeable or NRSA Standby, Seat Request

(NRSA - Non-Revenue Space Available)


User currently offlinePlaneMad From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

This is what VS say about it.

http://www.v-flyer.com/codes.asp

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
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UA Fare Codes
-------------

UA Paid Fare Classes - F P A C D Z Y B E M U H Q V W S T K L
UA Award Fare Classes - R O N X I

F, P, A, R and N are First Class
C, D, Z, O, and X are Business Class
All others are Economy Class
Codes are arranged in order of precedence


AS Fare Codes
-------------

F U A Y S B M H Q L V K G T W

F is unrestricted First Class. U a subset of First Class, reserved for capacity-controlled upgrades. A is another subset of First Class, reserved for capacity-controlled First Class Saver awards. All others are Economy Class fare bases.


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).

CO also uses it on BusinessFirst



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The new one we will likely be seeing is "R", which used to be BA's fare basis for Concorde and is now SQ's for "Singapore Suites Class" on the A380 (which replaces First Class on that airplane).

"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 3507 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?  eyebrow 

Raffles used to be what they called Business Class, but now that they call it Business Class, that might not be a bad idea. Sounds better then "Singapore Suites Class".  vomit 


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
"R" for "Raffles" class, perhaps?

R stands for Suites on SQ

I don't know, but I think we have gone a little off topic here

The main thing is-
R - Supersonic/Suite Class
F - First Class
C/J - Business Class
Y, Y+ - Economy/Coach , Premium economy

Regards


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".

Well, I would say coach is mainly a USA thing, not North American. In Canada, most people refer to it as "Economy" as well.


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 12):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
This is a North American designation. In the rest of the world it is known as "Economy".

Well, I would say coach is mainly a USA thing, not North American. In Canada, most people refer to it as "Economy" as well.

You beat me to it. I was going to say the same thing. "Coach" has never been a commonly-used term in Canada.


User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Air New Zealand and Air France used to use the code 'P' for First Class Premium.

NZ, of course, no longer offer any First Class - have no idea about whether AF use the P code any longer


User currently offlineJimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5):
Here is what I've found on DL so far:

A First
B Coach
F Coach
FY NRSA Standby, Seat Request
H Coach
J Business
K Coach, cheapest
L Coach
M Coach
N Coach
Q Coach
R First
T Coach, fully upgradeable
U Coach
V First
Y Coach, fully upgradeable or NRSA Standby, Seat Request

(NRSA - Non-Revenue Space Available)

Here's some better info on DL:

A First (discounted)
F First (full fare)
R First (Skymiles award ticket)
T Coach, fliertalk cheap  razz 


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5):
T Coach, fully upgradeable

I guess different airlines even have different rules on fare types. With Delta for example, a T fare is your typical dirt cheat vacation fare and is definatly not upgradeable. Only fares upgradeable on Delta are B, H, M, Q, and Y.



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User currently offlineThai744 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2921 times:
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Coach is such a weird term to use...

Why coach?

Does it go back to the stage coach days?

IMO, Economy is much more apt and descriptive - i.e. people travelling in an economical manner.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Quoting Thai744 (Reply 17):
Does it go back to the stage coach days?

No. It refers to the passenger coach-the lowest fare that railroads sold.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 18):
Quoting Thai744 (Reply 17):
Does it go back to the stage coach days?

No. It refers to the passenger coach-the lowest fare that railroads sold.

As you say, the term "coach" has traditionally been used for the lowest class of service on trains in North America (including Canada). The term of course also referred to the actual railway car containing the coach seats, e.g. you would say that a train included coaches, sleeping cars, a dining car and a lounge car. I'm sure the U.S. airline term "coach' for economy class (which has also been called tourist class in the past by certain airlines) was based on its railway origins. However, interestingly, "coach" has never been used as an airline term in Canada where economy class has been the usual term.

Re stagecoaches, that was probably the origin of the word in its North American railway context. Long-distance buses are of course also commonly called "coaches" or "motorcoaches", especially by the bus industry in North America as they think it sounds more upscale than "bus".


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