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Virgin America Doesn't Have Traditional Gear Sound  
User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

On my flight to SFO a couple weeks ago, I was expecting to hear that traditional ding when the landing gear is in motion. All other airlines I've been on and the ones I watch on YouTube always have the ding. A320s all over the world seem to have it, but not Virgin America. And yes if you're wondering, all of the recent threads from me are mainly about the A320 because I'm currently obsessed with them..


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User currently offlineKearney From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

I wonder if the "ding" is automated with the gear toggle... I love that sound, If it was up to me 320's would go "ding" more often.

User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Thread starter):

You mean you can hear a "ding" in the cabin as the gear transits  Confused

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14074 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

The "traditional" sound of landing gear deploying is "Bang rumble rumble". No chime anywhere in the system.

Jan


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4570 times:

The chime is for the flight attendants to know they can move about. And that's waaaay later than gear up. Typically it is at 10k feet or higher. Gear up is normally commanded when positive rate of climb is observed.


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4024 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

The chime you hear with gear up or down is associated with the no-smoking signs. With the switch in automatic the signs go out with LG retraction, and a single chime. Same on extension when the signs go back on. Nowadays everyone leaves the no smoking sign in ON so the signs stay on, but the chime still sounds.
I suspect that on the new build aircraft, Airbus has finally rewired the system so the ding doesn't sound any more.
The crew still use the no smoking sign switch on the A320. On the ground when all the pax are off, you turn it to off and the emergency exit lights go out.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

On older aircraft, even as recent as MD-88's and 732's, it was wired for the no smoking light to extinguish at gear up, and the fasten seatbelt to extinguish at flaps 0. Now as stated above, "on" is the setting used nowadays.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting JetMech (Reply 2):
You mean you can hear a "ding" in the cabin as the gear transits

Yes, and again when it comes down.



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User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 7):

Did not know that!

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):

Makes sense.

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
Airbus has finally rewired the system so the ding doesn't sound any more.

When did they change that?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
Airbus has finally rewired the system so the ding doesn't sound any more.

N622VA was made last year and I think jetBlue's A320s

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
you turn it to off and the emergency exit lights go out.

I did notice that in August on jetBlue's newer A320s (the ding even sounded different) that the emer. exit lights on the overwing exits lit up when the gear was lowered and vice versa.

Quoting Kearney (Reply 1):
I love that sound, If it was up to me 320's would go "ding" more often.

If it were up to me, that ding would be dingin' every 10 minutes. (that's how much I love it  Smile )

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
The "traditional" sound of landing gear deploying is "Bang rumble rumble". No chime anywhere in the system.

And along with the "Bang rumble rumble" there is usually a ding.



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3991 times:
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I noticed that the Virgin America planes I've been on (I'm assuming they're all going to be the same, but not sure since some have been around for quite some time while they waited for approval), there's no "No Smoking" sign, instead it's one of those "Please turn off all electronic devices" ones. That could be why the no smoking light selector ding is a no-go.


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User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
The "traditional" sound of landing gear deploying is "Bang rumble rumble". No chime anywhere in the system.

Why is there a 'bang' sound as opposed to just the rumbling?


User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3781 times:
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Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 11):

Why is there a 'bang' sound as opposed to just the rumbling?

It's the sound of the midget being woken up and smacking his head against the bulkhead before cranking the gear down  Big grin

I always thought it was due to the doors being unlocked and the actuators snapping into place.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21680 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 10):
I noticed that the Virgin America planes I've been on (I'm assuming they're all going to be the same, but not sure since some have been around for quite some time while they waited for approval), there's no "No Smoking" sign, instead it's one of those "Please turn off all electronic devices" ones.

US's A319/320/321s have those signs as well, and have for a while.

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 12):
It's the sound of the midget being woken up and smacking his head against the bulkhead before cranking the gear down

 rotfl 

-Mir



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

I've also noticed that outside of the plane, the strobe lights do not flash like almost all other Airbus planes. Anybody?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 14):
I've also noticed that outside of the plane, the strobe lights do not flash like almost all other Airbus planes. Anybody?

That's a regulatory requirement. I doubt the FAA gave Virgin America a dispensation.  Wink



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User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3701 times:



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 14):
I've also noticed that outside of the plane, the strobe lights do not flash like almost all other Airbus planes. Anybody?

Care to elaborate? Do you mean that the strobes don't flash twice(double hit)?


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
That's a regulatory requirement. I doubt the FAA gave Virgin America a dispensation.

Hey, they got around the whole "Branson can't be associated with you" thing didn't they  duck 



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User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
That's a regulatory requirement. I doubt the FAA gave Virgin America a dispensation.

Unless there is something different about commercial carrier operations, Part 91 in VFR/IFR day or night requirements does not specify 'strobe lights', but rather an approved red or white aviation anti-collision light. (If I recall correctly.)


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3548 times:



Quoting Ceph (Reply 16):
Do you mean that the strobes don't flash twice(double hit)?

The right strobe only flashes once and the left flashes twice. The strobe near the APU isn't synchronized with the L&R strobes.



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User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3517 times:



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 19):
The right strobe only flashes once and the left flashes twice. The strobe near the APU isn't synchronized with the L&R strobes.

I see... I have noticed that some times the strobes are not in sync... But airbus wing-tip strobes are supposed to be double hits... Perhaps the right one has some sort of problem with an electrical component...


User currently offlineStrathpeffer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Talking of the strobes, I have noticed that several of BA's A320 family aircraft now lack the 'double hit' wingtip strobes - instead they just blink once. Why the change?

PJ



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9155 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3376 times:



Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
The chime you hear with gear up or down is associated with the no-smoking signs. With the switch in automatic the signs go out with LG retraction, and a single chime. Same on extension when the signs go back on. Nowadays everyone leaves the no smoking sign in ON so the signs stay on, but the chime still sounds.
I suspect that on the new build aircraft, Airbus has finally rewired the system so the ding doesn't sound any more.
The crew still use the no smoking sign switch on the A320. On the ground when all the pax are off, you turn it to off and the emergency exit lights go out.

That depends on the mod status and CIDS/CAM programming of the of the aircraft.

With the NO SMOKING selector for VAM MSN 2773, the NO SMOKING and EXIT light cycle when the gear cycles, and you get the low chime (which is CIDS/CAM programmable). For VAM MSN 2616-2740 2778, only the EXIT lights cycle, the NO SMOKING stays on all the time, the low chime is also CIDS/CAM programmable.

The change with the NO SMOKING configuration came in with mod 33254 "Placards and Marking - Cabin - Configure the cabin for Non Smoker Flight".

Any airline can program the chime not to ding by programming CIDS/CAM in any A320 series aircraft.



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User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

LASOctoberB6 i know how u feel. I love red is my favorite color, then i love the airbus A320 family including A318/A319/A320/A321. I havent had an experience on the A318 yet. my experiences with the A319 is because i work for US airways as a ramp agent, and they are great for non revving a us airways shuttle flight from LGA-DCA and back in same day. our A319s are configured to 112 seating, (100 Coach, 12 first class). First ride on A320 was "blue Monday" on Jetblue august 2005. A321 first experience with it was flying on N189UW from LGA to Charlotte, NC (CLT) for one week of fleet service ramp training. US flight 985 seasonal service from LGA-CLT with continuing service to MBJ(montego bay jamaica). I even want to get 5,000 hours, ATP and the requirements even the A320 type rating if it will make them want to hire me later. Altho for now i can only dream because i have 21.7 hours in a Cessna 172 and havent even soloed yet.......


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
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Quoting Strathpeffer (Reply 21):
Talking of the strobes, I have noticed that several of BA's A320 family aircraft now lack the 'double hit' wingtip strobes - instead they just blink once. Why the change?

Probably the timers in the new bulbs are not in sync



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