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Do Airliners Have Microwave Ovens?  
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17190 posts, RR: 66
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14010 times:

A friend of mine was wondering. I was like "ehm....? I have no clue, but I know a place..."

[Edited 2007-11-12 00:54:18]

[Edited 2007-11-12 00:54:57]


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13983 times:

http://www.jamco.co.jp/e/e-interiors/e-galley/microwave.html

Well, they exist... but seemingly more for executive aircraft.


edit added....

The introduction of the A330-200 showcases the carrier's new generation of business class, Premium Laurel. EVA's new, redesigned and upgraded business class offers seating with a generous 61-inch pitch, and gives travelers unparalleled control over seat adjustments. Additional amenities include each business seat is equipped with a 10.4-inch VGA LCD monitor, hi-fi noise-cancellation earphones, to-order galley, wine chiller, microwave oven, steam oven and expresso machine in the galley, ensuring that piping-hot food and fresh coffee is available at all times.

http://www.evaair.com/html/b2c/engli...+Premium+Laurel+Business+Class.htm

Microwaves for business class....

[Edited 2007-11-12 03:55:24]


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17190 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13957 times:

Thanks man. Awesome.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21881 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

So the regular ovens are convection ovens then?

-Mir



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9119 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13925 times:
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Even if my MD11F would've a microwave oven, I wouldn't use it because I blew up 2 microwaves already  stirthepot 

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17190 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
So the regular ovens are convection ovens then

Since they work with several trays, convection would seem to me the only practical method.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13913 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
So the regular ovens are convection ovens then?

All the ovens I have seen are convection ovens. Remember all the meals are covered with aluminum foil and that does not work well in a microwave.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9836 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

Almost all ovens on airplanes are convection ovens.

Some planes are equipped with microwave ovens. However they are not the same power as typical microwave ovens, so you'll likely blow something up if you put it in there and it isn't designed for that specific microwave oven.



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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13881 times:
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I was told that SQ does have a small microwave for its First Class galley on the 744. And that it was ludicrously expensive Big grin

I'm sure there was a story a while back about BA cabin crew receiving a memo as some of then kept using ovens to reheat meals bought from the supermarket which were not designed for the power output of a/c ovens resulting in damage to equipment. I can't remember if it was referring to a standard oven or a microwave.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13838 times:

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 8):
'm sure there was a story a while back about BA cabin crew receiving a memo as some of then kept using ovens to reheat meals bought from the supermarket which were not designed for the power output of a/c ovens resulting in damage to equipment.

Exploding curry costs BA £20,000 by Hannah Summers. Monday, 21 May 2007 British Airways has banned staff from using microwaves for non-airline food after an exploding curry cost the company £20, 000 in damages.


http://www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Sat...15765%26suffix%3DArticleController


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5455 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13837 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
Exploding curry

I've had many similar experiences .... but in a different context  Smile


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21881 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13810 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Remember all the meals are covered with aluminum foil and that does not work well in a microwave.

Right you are, I forgot about that.

Just like I did the last time I put something wrapped in aluminum foil in a microwave.  flamed   embarrassed 

-Mir



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13769 times:

BA's food is so bad the cabin crew need to bring their own? LOL


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13747 times:

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 4):
I blew up 2 microwaves already

What part of "remove foil" don't you understand ?  Smile


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9119 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13738 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 13):
What part of "remove foil" don't you understand ? Smile

well, the "remove" part Big grin

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User currently offlinePmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13710 times:

Well I'll tell you that the Falcon 50 my previous employer had a microwave, according our purchasing people it was as stated above ridiculously expensive. It was a GE Spacemaker microwave that had been TSO'd by another company.

For what it's worth.

PMK


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13640 times:

Used mainly in some Exec jets.The non metallic containers are another reason too.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13580 times:



Quoting Pmk (Reply 15):
Well I'll tell you that the Falcon 50 my previous employer had a microwave, according our purchasing people it was as stated above ridiculously expensive. It was a GE Spacemaker microwave that had been TSO'd by another company.

Good money to be made certifying common off the shelf appliances.

I'll sure a certain airline customer of B/E must have been impressed when they saw how little the same rice cooker sold for at Costco. If memory serves me right it was about 10 percent of the certified component price.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13566 times:



Quoting Pmk (Reply 15):
Well I'll tell you that the Falcon 50 my previous employer had a microwave, according our purchasing people it was as stated above ridiculously expensive. It was a GE Spacemaker microwave that had been TSO'd by another company.

For what it's worth.

PMK

As are many things over in GA land. Your 1968 Cessna 172 loose an alternator? Go down to the auto parts store and get a replacement Motorcraft 1965 Ford Mustang alternator  Wink However, it will lack the FAA PMA approval, although it will be much cheaper than the PMA'd version...

I've also seen that early O-470 powered birds with 12-volt electrical systems (like late 1960's Cessna 182's) use the same starter as Chrysler Hemi engines from the same era...  Smile

I'm sure the same extends to components such as fuel tank sending units, lighter plug sockets, etc. etc.



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User currently offlineTom775257 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13548 times:

On the A320 I fly, we have steam ovens, that are convection ovens with added steam to stop the food from drying out. I assume this is fairly standard.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5455 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13538 times:

LOL ... it appears some think the reason that microwaves aren't used is just because the meals are covered in metal foil  Smile

Perhaps that's because they're NOT being used in microwave ovens, but convection ovens. I'm going out on a limb here (!), but I assume it would be an easy task to put the meals in non-metallic trays if we decided to use microwaves. I don't think the deciding factor on whether to use microwaves or not, was because the meals were in metal trays.

As others has mentioned, I believe size has something to do with it. Never seen a big microwave with multiple shelves ... although I'm sure they exist. Another reason may be the way that a microwave cooks.. you can pretty much put a tray of any food in a convection oven for x minutes, and it'll get hot/warm, and you can turn it down and keep stuff warm. A microwave is a different matter ... put it on for one minute and some stuff will be boiling and other stuff cold ... a less foolproof method IMO.

BUT ... I'm sure they do have them on some aircraft, because I read somewhere about a "microwave landing system" ... and I understand GE was definitely involved in the technology ... so perhaps that DOES use the GE Spacemaker  Wink


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17190 posts, RR: 66
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13472 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
Perhaps that's because they're NOT being used in microwave ovens, but convection ovens. I'm going out on a limb here (!), but I assume it would be an easy task to put the meals in non-metallic trays if we decided to use microwaves. I don't think the deciding factor on whether to use microwaves or not, was because the meals were in metal trays.

Hehe. Quite right.  Wink



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9119 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13400 times:
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I still prefer the conventional oven... I guess there is already enough radiation in the air  stirthepot 

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13392 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
As are many things over in GA land. Your 1968 Cessna 172 loose an alternator? Go down to the auto parts store and get a replacement Motorcraft 1965 Ford Mustang alternator However, it will lack the FAA PMA approval, although it will be much cheaper than the PMA'd version...

But that would render the Aircraft Unairworthy.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
it appears some think the reason that microwaves aren't used is just because the meals are covered in metal foil

True  Smile
But I guess what most are pointing out is as long as meals are packed in metal foils they cant be used with a microwave.If the trend of Microwave use on Aircraft catches up,The changing over to non metallic containers is not a big job.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4073 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13307 times:



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 8):
I'm sure there was a story a while back about BA cabin crew receiving a memo as some of then kept using ovens to reheat meals bought from the supermarket which were not designed for the power output of a/c ovens resulting in damage to equipment. I can't remember if it was referring to a standard oven or a microwave.

BA has fitted one microwave oven in its latest refit of the long haul fleet.
It is not used for regular meals.
It is used for warm between meal snacks that are available in business class.


25 Post contains images KELPkid : That's why I said it with a wink IIRC, the only technical difference between the straight automotive alternator from my example above and Cessna's PM
26 Jetstar : Even the voltage regulator was a Ford part But it is not legal, it could be exactly the same alternator, but if the alternator does not have PMA appr
27 HAWK21M : What I meant is Unairworthy on paper. True it needs to be approved by the Regulatory Authority. regds MEL
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