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Do Airlines Own Any Non-rev Aircraft?  
User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

For example, do they own small aircraft for training purposes, their former aircraft that might be in museums, corporate jets, etc.?

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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

I beleive that some do.

They sometimes use small airctraft for carrying crews and somtimes even spares between airports. FR had one in the 80s not sure if this is still the case.


User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

I do believe that BA still own all of their Concordes, which are now in museums

littlevc10


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22306 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Didn't FL keep a single 732 on the certificate so that it would be easier when the 73Gs came? I believe it was N464AT, and I feel like the wet-leased it to somebody... maybe someone can fill in some details.


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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
N464AT

That bird is now with Skyking-whether AirTran is still involved I don't know.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22306 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 4):
That bird is now with Skyking-whether AirTran is still involved I don't know.

It is not on FL's certificate now.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting VC10 (Reply 2):
do believe that BA still own all of their Concordes, which are now in museums

Even the one that the Muesum of Flight in SEA? IIRC,all planes at that museum are donated to the museum and MOF owns the planes.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

I believe that SR Technics own a small historic aircraft, it was pointed out to us during the A.net tour of their facilities a few meets ago. One of our Swiss members will know for sure I expect.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Mohawk Airlines owned a Beech Travelair they used to run Parts back in the 60's.

Nowadays I believe its Singapore that has the Lear 45';s they use for training? (Please correct me if im wrong).

ATCT



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Some did:


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User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

What is AA's relationship to the Flagship Detroit Foundation, which owns this beaut?


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
Some did:

And another:


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SQ also used to operate several Learjets for pilot training purposes, but not sure if they still do this as the latest A.net photo of these aircraft is dated 2002.


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TWA had a single Fairchild C-82 Packet based at Paris in the 1950s. It was used to deliver spare engines and other major parts to rescue unserviceable TW aircraft throughout Europe and the Middle East.


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LH have several Piper Cheyennes used for pilot training, including one in 1950's retro livery.


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User currently offline747Dreamlifter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

ATCT is correct.....SQ still employs 4 Bombardier Learjet 45's at their SIA Pilot Training Center in Singapore. They received an recognition award from Bombardier last year March. I think the only commercial airlines that has a fleet of Lears specifically involved in airline operations for route orientation and ILS training.

http://airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=0429758


Saudi Arabian Airlines supports VIP and the Royal Family with 747/SP, MD-11, and 757 aircrafts all in official airlines colors. Their 757 is very unique in that it is outfitted as a flying hospital.

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User currently offlineCeph From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

SIA's subsidary Singapore Flying College owns the Learjets now along with Cessna 152, 172 and Beechcraft Baron B58. More information can be found on: http://www.sfcpl.com/. The planes are all registered in Australia.

List of aircraft on Singapore register: http://www.caas.gov.sg/caas/en/Aviat...d_Aircraft_Engine_No_October07.pdf


User currently offlineAbnormal From UK - England, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Air Canada owns a sweet Lockheed 10A Electra (CF-TCC) used for charitable and PR causes

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0989112/M/


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5343 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Didn't BA have a flying school with some PA28s? Or similar? all painted up ... maybe I'm dreaming.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineMQTmxguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Didn't/doesn't mainline AA have a 762 just for MX field trips?


Well at least we can all take comfort in the fact that NW will never retire their DC-9s
User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4294 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
Quoting VC10 (Reply 2):
do believe that BA still own all of their Concordes, which are now in museums

Even the one that the Muesum of Flight in SEA?

That one is still BA as well, but it's some kind of perpetual loan to the Museum of Flight. There's a blurb about it in the entrance building to the air park.

Tom.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4291 times:



Quoting CoolGuy (Thread starter):
For example, do they own small aircraft for training purposes, their former aircraft that might be in museums, corporate jets, etc.?

DL used to have several biz jets for flying crtical parts around. This was years ago, so who knows if they do today. They used call sign "Dusty".


User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Seems that UA had a DC8 years ago, that was known as the gray ghost. Think they bought it overseas, maybe in Japan, and they couldn't haul passengers with it, as the wing spar was cracked. Think it was used for pilot trng.


Not as easy as originally perceived
User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

DL restored Ship 41, their old DC-3. Where is this aircraft now?


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When they got rid of their 762s, they sold all but N102DA, The Spirit of Delta. It is now in a museum at ATL.


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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1548 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

We have a Super King Air 200 at my company to move crews, mechanics and parts around, as do some other similar companies. We use our fleet of Lears and Falcon 20's and even the 727's in support of each other and in support for our sister companies 747's. Nowadays as far as the Delta deal, they just charter when they have an AOG. In some cases, like for UPS for instance, you have to be an approved carrier per their pilot union contract to move crews around. I've done flights for most of the airlines around and they are almost always in the middle of the night. Nothing like that 2 am AOG call on a Friday night, it never fails.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4249 times:



Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 19):
Seems that UA had a DC8 years ago, that was known as the gray ghost. Think they bought it overseas, maybe in Japan, and they couldn't haul passengers with it, as the wing spar was cracked. Think it was used for pilot trng.

As far as I know, the only UA DC-8 bought used from Japan was a DC-8-61 in 1977. It was JA8068 with JL and became N8177U with UA. It operated in UA passenger service and like the rest of UA's DC-8-61 fleet was converted to a DC-8-71 with CFM56 engines. UA retired it in 1991. It had a different cabin layout than the rest of UA's DC-8-61 fleet which has been mentioned in previous threads.

JL wasn't the original operator. It was delivered to Eastern in 1968 and, like all except a couple of EA's 17 DC-8-61s, was leased/sold to JAL after fairly brief EA service. This one was leased to JL from 1970 to 1975 when JL bought it.

Photos of that aircraft as a -61 and after conversion to -71:


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And in its original Eastern livery before going to JL:


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After UA it was converted to a freighter and operated for Emery Worldwide until they shut down a few years ago.


User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

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As far as I know, the only UA DC-8 bought used from Japan was a DC-8-61 in 1977[/quote

Yes, I'm aware of the JAL DC8-61. It had different doors configs and galleys in different places. The one I'm refering to was painted gray, had the bottom of the wing tips painted red, and I don't think it had any seats. You wouldn't see it on the line as I think it was only used for pilot trng. I saw it when it went thru overhaul. It may not have been a ex-JAL.



Not as easy as originally perceived
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4237 times:



Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 23):
Yes, I'm aware of the JAL DC8-61. It had different doors configs and galleys in different places. The one I'm refering to was painted gray, had the bottom of the wing tips painted red, and I don't think it had any seats. You wouldn't see it on the line as I think it was only used for pilot trng. I saw it when it went thru overhaul. It may not have been a ex-JAL.

That's interesting. There must be a photo of it somewhere.


25 474218 : It is in the Delta Museum at Hartsfield International Airport.
26 ATCT : Actually they now have a fleet of BizJets, but they operate as their own Part 135 charter. (Delta AirElite or something like that). Parts now are jus
27 Sfomb67 : After doing a little research, I've found the DC8 has turned out to be a-31. Originally delivered to Panagra in 9/67, N8275H was involved in a wheels
28 Bond007 : Fedex has some Lears, Challengers, and a Globex. Not all used for Freight. Jimbo
29 Post contains links and images Vhqpa : Qantas used to have 2 Hawker Siddeley HS-125's used as 707 trainers View Large View MediumPhoto © George Canciani J
30 Post contains links and images GRZ-AIR : Yes.. Austrian (OS) uses C-152's for initial flight training.. View Large View MediumPhoto © Andreas Müller - Spotterteam Graz By the way, Lufth
31 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Thanks. With your registration I found the same information. I think your delivery date to Panagra should read 9/60. 9/67 is when UA bought it (from
32 Sfomb67 : I'm surprised there is even a picture of it with the UA registration #, as it is unmarked. I thought it was a light gray, but probably with dirty whit
33 Miamiair : Eastern Air Lines had a Lockheed Constellation in the 60's-earlly 70's(?) that was used to haul around spare engines and mechanics to do the engine ch
34 N710PS : Off topic slightly as it is not owned by AirTran but there is an SR22 floating around south Florida owned by one of the big shots of the company that
35 FlyASAGuy2005 : The Delta Heritage Museum which is on Delta Headquarters property in Atlanta technically doesn't belong to Delta. It is a not for profit organization
36 RoseFlyer : I'm trying to remember since I haven't worked at the Museum of Flight in a few years, but I believe that the Concorde is on a 25 year lease to the Mu
37 Post contains links MHG : Air Berlin owns a Raytheon 390 (taken over with the merger with DBA) for corporate and "misc." use like urgent crew transfers or transporting (limited
38 NG1Fan : What about LH and 'Tante Ju' - JU52 with its corrugated sides still flies... NG1Fan
39 Post contains images Jetstar : Some trivia about the EA and TWA JetStars. The EA JetStar was never used for pilot training, EA was thinking about starting a charter division utiliz
40 Post contains images Transpac787 : I think this is really far-fetched. Just take a "727 conversion" for example. Everything on the 727 is based on three engines. Three electrical syste
41 Post contains links and images Transpac787 : Adding to my last post, in response to reply 39: Here are a couple pictures of cockpits from a Lockheed Jetstar, 727, and 707. Just compare the relati
42 Jetstar : The JetStar converted to the 727 cockpit kept all 4 engine throttles, but the center pedestal was set up as the same as the 727, as was the 707 versio
43 Transpac787 : This is my biggest point of skepticism. The SO panel, one could argue, has some of the most critical systems on board the plane, as I said in my firs
44 Jetstar : You are missing the point entirely about the TWA trainers, again they were designed for a lower cost way to do initial pilot training to transition i
45 PER744 : I believe China Southern has some bizjets at Jandakot for their training school
46 Post contains images 3201 :
47 CosmicCruiser : None are used for freight; they are the corp. flight dept. I haven't kept up with what's over there right now but they have added and removed diff. j
48 Post contains links 3201 : Flightaware shows N2FE, N3FE, and N10FE all flying around this month, they're all Challengers.
49 Andz : I'm not sure if SAA still own the 742 and SP that are parked at Rand Airport.
50 OzLAME : The China Southern West Australian Flying College at Jandakot has Citation II VH-ZLE and Citation Bravo VH-ZLT, both had small China Southern logos o
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