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Air Transat 961 A310 Investigation Completed  
User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

The TS A310 rudder loss accident investigation has been published & is available at http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2005/a05f0047/a05f0047.asp

The investigation found that the existing rudder inpection program was not capable of detecting all rudder defects. The initial cause of the delamination damage to Flight 961's rudder was not determined.




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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

What I don't understand is why did the pilots opt to return to Cuba instead of diverting to FLL ?

A loud bang...dutch roll and rudder ineffective and opt to return to Cuba?...something's fishy

I suspect Air Canada didn't want to deal with a diverson in FLL and rather send them to Cuba?


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2546 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5442 times:



Quoting 777WT (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is why did the pilots opt to return to Cuba instead of diverting to FLL ?

A loud bang...dutch roll and rudder ineffective and opt to return to Cuba?...something's fishy

I suspect Air Canada didn't want to deal with a diverson in FLL and rather send them to Cuba?

As the flight originated in Cuba it's likely many people on the flight might have had difficulties entering the USA, even in transit, US Immigration being how it is. So a return to Cuba makes sense if it's safe to do so. If they'd known the rudder was completely missing they may have chosen differently.

It was an Air Transat flight, not Air Canada.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25115 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5233 times:



Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 2):
As the flight originated in Cuba it's likely many people on the flight might have had difficulties entering the USA, even in transit, US Immigration being how it is. So a return to Cuba makes sense if it's safe to do so. If they'd known the rudder was completely missing they may have chosen differently.

In an emergency I doubt issues of nationality would be a consideration in deciding where to divert. You may recall the NW DC-10 that diverted to THR en route from BOM to AMS in 2005 with a cargo compartment fire warning (a false alarm). It was the first US airliner to land in Iran since they broke off diplomatic relations in 1979.

Following is a paragraph from the report referring to the decision where to divert.

Shortly after the rudder loss, the crew took steps to descend and divert to a nearby airport. As the flight progressed, the Dutch roll decreased and then ceased as they descended. By the time the crew was in a position to complete an approach to either Miami or Fort Lauderdale, there were indications that the aircraft would continue to fly normally. The determination of where to land was influenced by the following: there were no symptoms remaining related to the noise, vibration, or Dutch roll; there were no ECAM messages, warning lights or cockpit indications related to the control problems; the flight could continue at low altitude; and the company was better equipped to deal with the passengers and aircraft at Varadero.


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2546 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5195 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
In an emergency I doubt issues of nationality would be a consideration in deciding where to divert.

True, but no emergency was declared, was it? I'll bet the Cuba factor was in the back of peoples minds. It's not just Cuban nationals to be considered but the US hardline attitude to people who travel to Cuba, even on vacation. The TSA would have had a field day.

Had the crew known the rudder was completely missing perhaps they would have decided Fort Lauderdale was the only option.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5408 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5182 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
and the company was better equipped to deal with the passengers and aircraft at Varadero.

That's about the only deciding factor .. all other things equal (which IMO they weren't).

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
was influenced by the following: there were no symptoms remaining related to the noise, vibration, or Dutch roll; there were no ECAM messages, warning lights or cockpit indications related to the control problems;

What I fail to understand is that it still happened ... and then it's OK, so there's no problem?

Of course, I'm not the crew in question .. but a loud bang, followed by control problems, means something serious has probably happened .. regardless of the fact there weren't warning lights etc....just my opinion.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5169 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 5):
Of course, I'm not the crew in question .. but a loud bang, followed by control problems, means something serious has probably happened .. regardless of the fact there weren't warning lights etc....just my opinion.

true.
Wouldn't get to the nearest base be the clever desicion.

regds
MEL



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