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User currently offlineSuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

I was just reading another non-rev related topic by Baguy. I would like to know how each airline works while placing NRSA pass holders onto the standby list.

At Delta, it is based on the employee seniority with the company. If one has 30 years of service then he or she would be placed toward the top of the list. Buddy Pass (also based on seniority of the employee) and other airlines employees would also be placed toward the bottom of the list.



I heard AA is first come first serve? Is that right ? What about other airlines in the world ???

Thanks for sharing !  Smile

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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
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Every airline has it's own priority system.

The general rule is: Must Ride Duty Travel goes first, then Duty travel S/A, Leisure travel S/A. Seniority generally only applies within each category. Employess of that airline have priority ahead of pass riders from other airlines, but there are usually some exceptions. Some airlines give duty-travel passes to interline partners, that then jump ahead of leisure pass riders.

When I worked at Air France a lifetime ago, we further subdivided each category by Outbound/Return legs. Nonrevs returning home had priority over nonrevs just starting their outbound journey.



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User currently offlineSAN88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

SWA is on a first come first serve basis with priority levels such as MR, emp/ or traveling with emp, dependents/retirees, buddy passes, other airline. (Hopefully it’s in the right order, I haven’t had to use the system, I usually clear my non-revs)

When I’ve non-rev on other airlines, I noticed that CSA don’t or can’t tell me how full the flight is booked??? I usually get the “we can’t tell you” or just “there’s room/no room” .. I dont know

When I get non-revs I tell them it’s booked by X amount of passenger and give them the possible scenarios



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

At AA, it is whoever checks in first. It kind of stinks and would make more sense to be based on seniority, but that's only IMHO.

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

At LH it is based on "dienstjahren", which means the longer you work for the company the higher your priority.
In FRA at each gate there are monitors on which all stand-by's are mentioned in order of priority.
I don't know how this is arranged at other airports, but at AMS you just have to check availability at the gate.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2364 times:



Quoting SAN88 (Reply 2):
SWA is on a first come first serve basis with priority levels such as MR, emp/ or traveling with emp, dependents/retirees, buddy passes, other airline. (Hopefully it’s in the right order, I haven’t had to use the system, I usually clear my non-revs)

When I’ve non-rev on other airlines, I noticed that CSA don’t or can’t tell me how full the flight is booked??? I usually get the “we can’t tell you” or just “there’s room/no room” .. I dont know

When I get non-revs I tell them it’s booked by X amount of passenger and give them the possible scenarios

Hahah, you got it right Bro, I had to use it quite often, freaking people love to oversell at STL!

But general gist of it first come first serve for SWA.

In Order of clearing as SAN88 got it right above.

Alex



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2347 times:



Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 3):
At AA, it is whoever checks in first. It kind of stinks and would make more sense to be based on seniority, but that's only IMHO.

a bit more colplicated than that...if youre a connecting passenger, you go ahead of all the local non-rev....it isnt uncommon to see a long line of local nonrevs on a sunday afternoon in ORD trying to get to DFW, only to be displaced by someone connecting GRB-ORD-DFW.


Is it true that NW is mgmt employees before union employees?


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

YX's non-rev system is more or less like PA110 describes ... it goes first by company business travel and then leisure travel ... and then within those categories it goes by seniority and which company you work for (Midwest employees are first on Midwest flights, Skyway first on Skyway flights, and the other is second accordingly). SkyWest is also in the nonrev structure, albeit tertiary to Midwest and Skyway employees.

They also made it even more complex to include whether or not you're traveling with relatives, or if your relatives/friends are traveling alone, etc.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Atl Delta, it's all seniority based. But it goes even rurther and depends on what priority to use. Like, i could be hired on Aug 20th 2007 and somone else hired 1980, if I use one of the VERY LIMITED high priority deesginators, I get higher on the list. It seems kind of screwy but if u read the rules like once it makes senc.


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User currently offlineSAN88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2342 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
you go ahead of all the local non-rev


hmm...just for AA employees or does it extend to other airline non-rev?



sit on the Captain side when you fly into SAN
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2328 times:



Quoting SAN88 (Reply 9):
hmm...just for AA employees or does it extend to other airline non-rev?

All

AA is
D1T-Annual travel pass connecting
D1-Annual travel pass
D2T-Regular Employee Connecting
D2-Regular Employee
D3T-Buddy pass connecting
D3-Buddy Pass
D4T and D4-OA

it is a bit more complicated than that but that is the jist of it


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2317 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
a bit more colplicated than that...if youre a connecting passenger, you go ahead of all the local non-rev....it isnt uncommon to see a long line of local nonrevs on a sunday afternoon in ORD trying to get to DFW, only to be displaced by someone connecting GRB-ORD-DFW.

Ye, I think it's a rule for everybody too. But it has to be a thru flight sharing the same flight number over here. I guess it holds true for most airlines.



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User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2309 times:
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SWA priority list:
- HK (revenue confirmed)
- NRMR (non revenue must ride)
- SB (revenue standby, first listed first serve)
- NRPS (positive space, often business passes)
- NRSA (space available, by priority below and then first come first serve in each group)
..........Pri A - Emergency Travel
..........Pri B - Employee and/or dependent traveling with Employee
..........Pri C - Dependents
..........Pri D - Incentive buddy passes and retired Employees
..........Pri E - other airline Employees

I'm not certain about priorities D and E, but I think this is right.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2298 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 12):
- HK (revenue confirmed)
- NRMR (non revenue must ride)
- SB (revenue standby, first listed first serve)

I have never cleared a NRMR before a REVENUE Stand By when I worked at the Gates....

It was my thinking, yes the NRMR is a Must Ride, but that person did not pay for the seat, so the Revenue Stand By gets on first before NRMR....

Correct me if I did it wrong!

Alex



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User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

One addition to the DL system, if you travel standby on a through flight (same flight number), nobody with a higher seniority can bump you off the second segment during your intermediate stop...

Boeing727


User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
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UA goes by seniority. Retirees go first, then active employees, then companions.
BP-8A . . . . .Employee and/or dependents
BP-8A . . . . .Employee and parents
BP-8A . . . . .Employee and one companion
BP-8B . . . . .Parents and dependent children aged 22-25 traveling without employee
BP-8B . . . . .Employee and two companions
BP-8B . . . . .Dependent and one or two companions
BP-8C . . . . .Employee or dependent and three or more companions
BP-8C . . . . .Companions traveling without the employee or dependent
BP-10 . . . . .Employee only service charge waived unlimited pleasure travel



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

You forgot that on AA you have AAC which is the Connection boarding priority. But Connection gets on their own planes before mainline using a D1 or D2 pass.


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2238 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
I have never cleared a NRMR before a REVENUE Stand By when I worked at the Gates....

It was my thinking, yes the NRMR is a Must Ride, but that person did not pay for the seat, so the Revenue Stand By gets on first before NRMR....

But these NRMR are positioning crew and engineers. If you bump an NRMR engineer off the flight, the flight may not return because he has to sign it out at the other end. Bump the crew and there is no crew to bring it back.
We use a special class for these guys, although they are free tickets they are NEVER bumped in any circumstances. If the flight is oversold, they get on.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2210 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 17):
But these NRMR are positioning crew and engineers. If you bump an NRMR engineer off the flight, the flight may not return because he has to sign it out at the other end. Bump the crew and there is no crew to bring it back.
We use a special class for these guys, although they are free tickets they are NEVER bumped in any circumstances. If the flight is oversold, they get on.

I didn't say BUMP...

I just said to let the revenue board before the non rev MR gets on. Because SWA does not have assigned seats, so we don't assign the non revs or even revenues a seat, we just let the revenue board before MR to get better choices of seats.

On our airline, positioning crews are NOT NRMR they are DH (Deadheaders), non revs dont just mean positioning crews, I am often a non rev must ride when I travel for company business, sometimes I am reverted to NRPS (non rev positive space).

Alex



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2180 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 15):

You forgot a couple.

BP6B - Retired employee, spouse, dependents

BP9 - OAL employees


At NWA, Nonrev priority is done by pass class, and within the pass class it's done by seniority.

2- Company travel
3A- Incentive travel
3- Vacation travel
3R- Retired employee vacation
5- Standard travel
5R- Retired employee standard travel
5B- NWA Airlink employees

There are a whole bunch others....6, 6B, 8, 8B, 9, 10, and then OAL, IIRC. But, I have NO idea what any of those are!!



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:



Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 14):
One addition to the DL system, if you travel standby on a through flight (same flight number), nobody with a higher seniority can bump you off the second segment during your intermediate stop...

Boeing727

Yep. It may be a dirty act...BUT! one time I had everything planned for my vacation to STT, hotel booked, etc, but rules of the non-rev world doesn't always apply. Well anyway, about 6 days before my departure, I see that the flight goes to shit. First is oversold by 2, coach by about 18. HOLY HELL. So I start going nuts. But luckily for me, I was a stand-by guru at the time. STT during that part of the year was a thru flight operated as DCA-ATL-STT. The flight left DCA at like 8 something in the morning to get in Atlanta about 9:20 ish and then leave for Saint Thomas about an hour later. Well, lucky for me I had a friend in DCA so i flew up to D.C. the night before, then got on the flight the next morning and was the ONLY non-rev to get on the ATL-STT leg. When I got off the plane, i waited for the stand-by list to come up on the screen and low and behold, I was NUMBERO UNO! So anyone, something for you guys to think about in your future non-rev travels.



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User currently offline764flyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 19):
At NWA, Nonrev priority is done by pass class, and within the pass class it's done by seniority.

2- Company travel
3A- Incentive travel
3- Vacation travel
3R- Retired employee vacation
5- Standard travel
5R- Retired employee standard travel
5B- NWA Airlink employees

Whoa...are you saying at NW, retirees (on vacation passes) can travel before employees using standard passes? Smokin' deal for them. At DL, retirees are ALWAYS behind current employees, regardless of vacation pass (S2) or regular travel (S3)


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

I think UA retirees go before employess too

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2109 times:



Quoting 764flyer (Reply 21):
Whoa...are you saying at NW, retirees (on vacation passes) can travel before employees using standard passes? Smokin' deal for them.

Yes and no, haha.

The class 5 pass, either the standard 5 or 5R, are the free/unlimited passes. The class 3 and 3R are limited to something like 4 segments per year....not a lot of them. So yes, a 3R will go ahead of a 5. However, a 3 will go ahead of a 3R, just as a 5 will always go ahead of a 5R (and 5B).

At United, retirees ALWAYS go ahead of current employees. It was part of the compensation for the termination of everyone's pension......better nonrev priority in retirement. Pretty good deal, eh??  Yeah sure

It's actually a really shitty policy, because retirees will travel higher in priority than even commuting employees. That's why pilots and FA's at UA absolutely HATE commuting, because both cabin and cockpit jumpseats are given away on a seniority basis, and retired employees will always travel ahead of them.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2100 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 23):
It's actually a really shitty policy, because retirees will travel higher in priority than even commuting employees. That's why pilots and FA's at UA absolutely HATE commuting, because both cabin and cockpit jumpseats are given away on a seniority basis, and retired employees will always travel ahead of them.

Doesn't make much sense to me. In theory, the retiree generally has more time than the employee so you would think they would be traveling more which is pretty unfair. Yes, at Delta retirees was below employees. What would scare me shitless was when I would check the stand-by list for a flight at home and see some guy with a hire date of 1970 (and brining along his whole family!) But i would thin kabout it and realize he/she is probably retired so I have no worries.



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25 Silentbob : It should be whoever books the flight first. If you plan a vacation several months in advance, someone shouldn't knock you off the list 12 hours befo
26 FutureFO : UA: BP8C is also UAX carriers with seniority. Except on company equipment.
27 RJwrench85 : Dont forget: BP-8C . . . . .All UAX Employees. But us express folks get those mainliners back on UAX flights!!!
28 FlyASAGuy2005 : True, but you have to look at it from the guy who has 25 years flying with the company and some turd who doesn't give a crap about the company and ha
29 FlyASAGuy2005 : Besides, if the trip is that important, you should have a back-up. I've known folks to just say screw it and buy an leisure fare in advance for about
30 Post contains images Transpac787 : No better feeling!!! Unfortunately, about the only UAX flight I'm ever on, on a regular basis, is LAX-CLD-LAX, and those almost always go with open s
31 764flyer : Wow...what a great deal. I actually do wish DL did that...give the retirees a COUPLE chances a year to get ahead of the game. Well then again I wish
32 Silentbob : With record load factors it's getting harder than ever to non-rev to major destinations. By basing it on the time of booking, everyone has a fair sho
33 Post contains images 764flyer : Yet another reason why the whole DL/UA merger thing won't work.
34 Post contains images Malaysia : Well it also shows more respect and responsibility in booking and checking in earlier. I sometimes get frustrated when these guys with more seniority
35 JetboyTWA : 6P- Parents 9- Buddy passes It's important to note that non-union employees (Management/Salaried) always travel at a priority 3. -Ryan
36 Sinlock : This is how it go's at US Airways. SA1P Vacation pass electronically credited in travel profile. Allows employee and all accompanying family members o
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