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What Exactly Is NonRevving?  
User currently offlineBaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5597 times:

Hi,

I don't want to sound dumb, but I guess I have to learn somehow!

I can figure that 'NonRevving' means the airline does not make a profit for this type of passenger. But what I want to know is, How do you get one, why do airlines have them etc.


Thanks,


BAguy  Smile

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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5586 times:

"NonReving" is flying for free. Thus non-revenue. It's done by airline employees and a few other industry employees. There are various rules to the game, sometimes there is a small fee.


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5587 times:

Employees of the airline, or family members of employees, get to fly for free. Buddy passes can be obtained for friends sometimes, depending on the airline.

User currently offlinePmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5561 times:

Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

PMK


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5516 times:

Non Revving is flying for free on an unclaimed seat on any flight or airline, usually because your one of the following...

Airline Employee, Buddy Pass Holder, Companion Pass Holder, Comitted Partner Pass Holder.

Other people non rev usually through jumpseating, FAA folks, Dispatch, and other folks.

Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5426 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Non Revving is flying for free on an unclaimed seat

Not in every case. Many airlines charge a small fee to Non-Rev. Most cases its the tax due on the seat. Now most times if your flying on the company you work for it will be without charge. If you Non-Rev on another airline is when the fees are charged.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is.

Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5412 times:

A very quick search on Wikipedia yields an entire article on nonreving:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonrev



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5374 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.

Actually, he is right. At Southwest a Green Pass is a Non-Revenue Must Ride pass. They are (or were) given out as prizes, etc.

Radio station promotions, company sponsored contests, awards to employees for extreme acts of customer service, etc, are all reasons Green Passes were/are issued.

Occaissionally, I have seen them used for new-hire employees to get to training but they generally are not/were not used for Company Business Must Ride Travel.

If I recall correctly, the ONLY difference between these and a revenue ticket were that the limit on baggage liability was less than a revenue ticket.

But as Atrude777 said, at Southwest, they ARE considered a Non-Revenue Must Ride Pass

I think the Green Passes have been eliminated in favor of "Gold Passes." That's why I refer to them as past tense.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

At AS it used to be $10 one way in Y and $50 one way in F as NRSA. (Non-Revenue, Space Available)

After 9/11, I believe that every U.S. carrier went to free pass rides for airline employees. WN has been free for many, many years, IIRC.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Quoting N702ML (Reply 7):
Actually, he is right

He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass. As a whole, Non-Rev is NOT must ride..... Non-Rev is lower then low priority. As many of us know, Non-Rev is 'hope and prey' you can get on and you don't piss the Gate Agent off.

[Edited 2007-11-27 13:36:41]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5297 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass.

Sorry...but yes...he did ask about a Green Pass.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Alex



User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5238 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):

Not even close.... Rarely, if ever is it a 'must ride' pass. That is a whole different situation and travel code.

Well N702ML stated it but at Southwest Airlines, which he is reffering to those passes are, must ride.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):

He didn't as about a Southwest Green Pass. As a whole, Non-Rev is NOT must ride..... Non-Rev is lower then low priority. As many of us know, Non-Rev is 'hope and prey' you can get on and you don't piss the Gate Agent off.

Technically at SWA it is, non rev means it doesn't make the airline money, but in this case, SWA doesn't make money off the ticket, but they are still confirmed and must ride's

He explained it in whole to you above.

As a CSA for SWA I dealt with Must Ride Non Rev tickets a lot, and are still quite used.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
He explained it in whole to you above.

As a CSA for SWA I dealt with Must Ride Non Rev tickets a lot, and are still quite used.

This thread has nothing to do with a must ride pass. The first poster asked about what a Non-Rev ticket is. They are NOT the same...!! Non-Rev offers lower then low boarding priority and does not assure you a seat. You are pond scum...You must wait until all paying and high priority passengers have been boarded. The Southwest 'Green Pass' would be part of this group..... When all of the above have been boarded then they start calling Stand-By passengers... when they have been boarded then they will start calling Non-Rev's in the order spelled out in the company manual. Be it by date of hire or by order of listing. Now.... airlines will issue a 'Must Ride' pass if they deem an employees travel essential. The person is travel no-rev, but is treated just like a regular full fare passenger. They are issued a boarding pass at check in and board during the first boarding call. No waiting and hoping for an empty seat.

Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
How do you get one

1.. Work for an airline
2.. Know someone that works for an airline and ask them nicely for a 'buddy pass'

Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
why do airlines have them

It's just a benefit for working for an airline

[Edited 2007-11-27 14:33:25]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5187 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
This thread has nothing to do with a must ride pass.

No, but until..

Quoting Pmk (Reply 3):
Okay, I'm gonna ask a dumb question. On WN what is a "green pass" I used to fly on them all the time but I never asked what the heck it meant. I know it's a non revenue must ride pass but that's all I know.

PMK

This guy asked, I mearly responded to his reply.

You really don't have to high light the procedure of how to board people as non rev, that WAS my job...

Sorry if I took it off topic, but I mearly responded to what someone else posted and answered his question, and simply reconfirmed those type of passes were still alive and being used.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5168 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
Sorry if I took it off topic, but I mearly responded to what someone else posted and answered his question, and simply reconfirmed those type of passes were still alive and being used.

No reason to apologize, Atrude. Most of us could see why you posted what you did. So when you gonna go inflight? Haha!


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Q........What Exactly Is NonRevving?

A.........A Bleeding Nightmare..........sometimes......


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5106 times:



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 15):
sometimes......

I wish it was that good.  Wink



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineCch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

There are two basic types of non-rev travel:

NRSA: Non Revenue Space Available -- standby travel for leisure purposes for employees on their own airline as well as other carriers that have reciprocal travel privilege agreements. Fees vary, based on each airline's internal policy, from free to hundreds of dollars (ID90, ID75, etc.) each way. NRSA passenger makes a "Meal Listing" for the flight they wish to travel on, which is not a standby list but a mere expression of their desire to travel on that flight (i.e., it does not place them on the standby list until they physically check in).

NRPS: Non Revenue Positive Space -- confirmed space or "must travel" for employees on company business (including deadheading pilots and flight attendants), family emergency, etc. There may also be fees involved, such as a cargo carrier pilot deadheading on a commercial airline using an ID50 ticket (Industry Discount 50 percent--as in 50% off a pre-determined fare base, which can also cost several hundred dollars each way). NRPS passenger makes a reservation on a flight just like a revenue passenger does, but sometimes advance seat assignment requests are denied.

[Edited 2007-11-27 15:08:55]

User currently offline764flyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Non Revving in short is 1 part chaos theory and 3 parts prayer.

There's also a science to it (although imperfect) but that's another story.


User currently offlineFlyboy97502 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4804 times:



Quoting 764flyer (Reply 18):
There's also a science to it (although imperfect) but that's another story.

Like over flying your Dest. in order to get to it!

I had a SEA-MFR flight cxl a night when i was meeting a friend on a buddy pass to come home from FAI. This was the last one to MFR that night. Had to wait till morning, well with all of the revenue cust. getting re-accom'd all flights were full until the same flight that night. (24hrs later) So instead I checked out the loads on alternate and had us back at sea-tac in the morning, catching a SEA-LAX flight then LAX-MFR, thus we arrived just before noon, even before some pax that were on the cxld flight the night before! Sometimes you have to be creative and patient! BTW for those unfamiliar with MFR, check it out on a sectional, or know that MFR is in southern Oregon, and so going from SEA - LAX overflew our home! Ah the pleasures of being a MM (everyone know "MM" ? )



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4761 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Other people non rev usually through jumpseating, FAA folks, Dispatch, and other folks.

Jumpseating is never non-reving, and while there isn't a charge, a jumpseater is actually part of the crew.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
Thats basically it, a non rev must ride pass, and thats all it is. Your confirmed on the flight but you didn't make the airline money.

Non-rev and MUST RIDE are really at the opposite ends of the scale really. Both usually are charge free, but for a must ride...it's just that, the passenger must ride! It has top priority, and will bump reveune paying passengers...

amazonphil



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4748 times:



Quoting Cch362 (Reply 17):
NRPS: Non Revenue Positive Space -- confirmed space or "must travel" for employees on company business

They're not as high in priority as a straight old fashioned MUST RIDE though. But I guess they have different terms for them now days. But I've saw once in Denver where a positive space company business rider get bumped in favor of a non-rev MUST RIDE...the employee had some sort of emergency and was the first non-rev to get a pass but was on the flight regardless even if a revenue pass.had had to get bumped.(then compensated of coarse). It ended up that there were some extra seats as well....but it didn't get down to my lower level of straight non-reving and I got bumped.

amazonphil



If it ain't Boeing, I ain't goeing!
User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4736 times:



Quoting Cch362 (Reply 17):
NRPS passenger makes a reservation on a flight just like a revenue passenger does

a NRPS makes a listing on the companies employee travel site, not a reservation. The person lists for the flight meaning there are no restrictions, i.e. staying over a Sat. night,etc.etc. that a revenue pass. must agree to. He can come and go as he pleases although you are correct, he can't make advance seat assignments...they are given at the gate at the time of departure.

Amazonphil



If it ain't Boeing, I ain't goeing!
User currently offlineB6MoneyGuyJFK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

I've always said that the price for non-reving is inconvenience.
Such as checking in at 4am for the first flight out, to make sure your the first one on the list for a full flight, and hope there are a couple of no-shows.
Or not making the flight home and paying the last minute walk up fare, or grabing a hotel for the night and try again in the morning.
It's a lot of fun "when it works", but can be more expensive then buying a regular advance purchase ticket if things don't work out.
Still doesn't stop me from trying  Smile



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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4558 times:



Quoting Baguy (Thread starter):
What Exactly Is NonRevving?

A practice devised by airlines to reward  praise  hard-working employees for their service..which is often performed at wages far lower than they could earn elsewhere.. dealing with people under conditions we'd rather not even think about...




which makes those of us who will never have benefits like that green with envy  hissyfit  ..which is why those people sitting next to you who are flying ID or non-rev don't ever talk about it......

TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
25 Bobnwa : The way around this is to work for an airline that uses date of hire (seniority) for it NRSA boarding order.
26 B6MoneyGuyJFK : Yes, but if I did that, and switched, then I'd be at the bottom of the list, Which would leave me no better off than where I am now. I've actually co
27 ORDagent : When I worked for AA the cost of the nonrev seat was determined by sector length and cabin served. It could go as high as $400.00 for at TATL F class
28 AA388 : I have been very lucky with NRSA buddy tickets. Me and my dad went around the world on UA. Near the end we did need to go Hong Kong-Singapore-Tokyo-Sa
29 EWRCabincrew : I get my fill of non-revving, commuting every week. That and we take our vacations in the 'off' months of Feb-Apr and mid Sep-Nov. With ticket prices
30 Crjflyer35 : Nonrevving = the knowledge that the quickest way to get where you're going may involve three other flights in the opposite direction, and if you're a
31 FI642 : Non-Revving is part of the adventure! How am I gonna get there? Which of the 6 passes I have will I use? How many extra stops/carrier changes will be
32 EWRCabincrew : You forgot to add, are these passes refundable or can I extend the validity of them?
33 Snn2003 : I know all the airlines I have gone NRSA on require you not to talk about non-reving, but they require business attire because you are a representati
34 Atrude777 : He was asking about specifically for Southwest Airlines, and we have a specific Non Rev pass that is used for Must Rides. It is called a Green Pass,
35 Post contains links and images Super80 : Since we are talking about non-reving here. I would like to know how each airline works when placing NRSA pass holders onto the standby list. Please s
36 764flyer : DL has since eliminated their dress code. With the exception of dressing like Kayla (sp) the infamous SW customer, wear what you like. And a pretty w
37 Post contains images 747LUVR : non-revving is when the pilots dont rev up the engines prior to take off.......
38 IAirAllie : No it means simple that the airline does not make any revenue off the ticket. It does not mean it is free it just means it is at or below cost. Many
39 Post contains images PanAm1971 : I non-rev. What a great scam! It's one of the few left on this planet! I don't own airline stock... but if I did I would be pissed!
40 EWRCabincrew : ??? Not sure what this means. Trying to understand your point of view. People who own airline stock are probably aware that there are benefits for em
41 Bobnwa : Please re-state your post. What is the scam? One of the few what left on the planet? What has non rev got to do with airline stock? What would you be
42 Post contains images PanAm1971 : Everyone's always so serious on ANet! Relax! (I'm not being serious) When you pay $50 to go JFK to MUC to enjoy Octoberfest-and buy the very cheap upg
43 Jetdeltamsy : With less than 5 years at American, there is no such thing as a free ticket. You pay a service charge ranging form $20 to $700, depending on the dest
44 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Not so much serious, but trying to understand what you wrote. Was very ambiguous. We are a relaxed bunch of people.
45 Post contains images PanAm1971 : Roger that Cheers.
46 Xtoler : Haha LOL, not at Trans States. Kidding aside, "screw" sceduling has been known to drop the ball on scheduled deadheads rarely, but usually on those s
47 Evan767 : What airlines allow you to travel for free in First or Business class? I know Delta does. Any others?
48 Post contains images Xtoler : If you really want the "nonrev" experience, join any branch of the US military and fly space-A on AMC. Not so much fun as commercial and less flights
49 Post contains images Transpac787 : Until recently, all United Express flights were free for UA/UAX employees, no matter what cabin you sat in....even if it was First. But, this isn't s
50 Malaysia : Nonrev can also be same for positive space company travel, as those who have to go to meetings for the airline and must be there, so they book positiv
51 764flyer : The one PLUS of that though seems to be that if you really want first class, you have a better shot of getting it because less people are willing to
52 Post contains images Transpac787 : I don't know how NRSA travel goes for AX employees on AA mainline, but I've always found it to be pretty easy (as a dependent of AA employee). As far
53 Post contains images Baguy : Thanks everyone. Problem solved. BAguy
54 Transpac787 : That's what I hear, people tend to like DL's nonrev policies. In my own personal experiences of nonrevving with NW, AA, and UA, I must say that NW no
55 Post contains images 764flyer : Hmmm...liking NW policies more and more. To me, as snotty as it sounds, I won't fly international or to hawaii in steerage. We have some tools on the
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