Ytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11031 times:
years of practice. I found when taking flying lessons the first few times when taxiing I was not doing a good job with the middle line but after a little while I was following it quite closely. The same goes for when you are driving and staying within the lanes being askew to one side or maintaining your lane on a bend in the road the more you do it the better you get.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11027 times:
And wen you are in a particualr aircraft type for a while (as most guys are) you can pick a reference from inside the cockpit just from experience and go off of that with the lines and be dead on every time.
Pmk From United States of America, joined May 1999, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10976 times:
I often wondered the same thing after spending half an hour trying to successfully taxi, sitting on my hands trying to make a successful turn. I asked a Champion Air pilot how he did it after a beautiful turn and go take off. His reply was perfect and simple.
"I do it 4 times a day."
I guess it's the same as getting to Carnegie Hall...Practice!
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10777 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3): And wen you are in a particualr aircraft type for a while (as most guys are) you can pick a reference from inside the cockpit just from experience and go off of that with the lines and be dead on every time.
Just like in the C172, usually you can use your right leg. In other words, line up the line so that it looks like (if you could draw it under the cowling) it goes right through your right leg.
Also remember that in airliners you don't steer with the rudder pedals which I can imagine makes it easier to control. Imagine trying to steer your car with rudder pedals instead of the steering wheel. You'd be doing a lot of correcting.
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4741 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10525 times:
I think it depends on the person as well. I did some flight training in DA-20/40, which are equiped with toe-brakes only. With my second lesson I pretty much got it figured out (and got a compliment from the CFI). I recon it's just a feeling you need to have or develop.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
Fr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5890 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10477 times:
On any aircraft I've taxied (B727, B747, B757/767, DC8, L1011), if you keep the centerline right on your inboard knee (or just inside for the jumbo), you'll hit that centerline everytime. Oh yeah, did I mention...practice.
Quoting AAR90 (Reply 7): That is my primary steering on open taxiways.
Absolutely. I try to stress that during training. The limited steering (somewhere around 7 degrees) offered by NWS is more than enough track a taxiway centerline and to handle small corrections.
Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10453 times:
On the 757/767 I use the Radio Altimeter as a guide for the center line. On the MD-80 I use the windshied wiper cotter pin as a guide. As for the 777 I use my knee, that's the easy part, the hard part is making the turn with out dragging the gear in the grass or setting off the MLG steering EICAS message (you get this when you turn too slow)
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10412 times:
The tiller on the 145 is very sensitive. Captains try to avoid it as much as possible and use only the pedals. Taxi with a new captain is always an interesting adventure as a result. My only experience with it was sitting in the left seat during sim training. It wasn't pretty.
Is there anything worse than hitting every single centerline light? Isn't there a way to make those things a little more smooth?
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17295 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10395 times:
Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5): Also remember that in airliners you don't steer with the rudder pedals which I can imagine makes it easier to control. Imagine trying to steer your car with rudder pedals instead of the steering wheel. You'd be doing a lot of correcting.
Many people without arms (or with very short ones) steer with their foot. A guy I knew says it takes a bit of practice but it's no big deal. His wife has no arms.
As an aside, he loved to overtake cars with his hands clasped behind his head. He'll usually nod and smile at drivers he passes.
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 12): Is there anything worse than hitting every single centerline light? Isn't there a way to make those things a little more smooth?
Absolutely. You don't mind landing in darkness right?
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
ReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10259 times:
Taxiing the Tristar is fun, the NW is something like 20 feet behind you (it's been a few years, I don't want to dig out the info from the basement, it scares me-the goblin under my stairs-not the manuals). I found it easier to do a full 90deg turn than a 45deg turn. With the 90, roll fwd until the perpendicular taxi line is in line with your shoulder, then turn. When you have to do a 180 on a rnwy, you turn 45deg from rwy heading, roll fwd until your seat is OVER the grass, then crank hard opposite direction. All while doing min. 15kts or you come to a dead stop.
What I tend to do, even now as Taxiing opportunities are farther and fewer in between, is when I'm riding brakes on a tow, watch for guidance keys as the tow guy (no offense to women, all tow guys were I work are.......guys) stays on the line. It helps. Oh yeah, and practice.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10214 times:
In the CRJ, I usually line up my right thigh with the centerline. After a while you just get the feel for where you are at in your particular aircraft type. I've gotten pretty good at stopping dead on the "T" at the gates. I try to avoid tracking straight down the taxiway centerline during wet and/or snowy conditions. They are as slippery as ice and are no fun to be driving over in a turn. There's nothing more exciting than having your nosewheel turned to an angle and your aircraft still plowing straight ahead
BoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9791 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 12): My only experience with it was sitting in the left seat during sim training. It wasn't pretty.
I've also heard, depending on the simulator I would believe, that you can get quite dizzy when taxiing in a simulator? That it somehow feels unnatural and fake.
A bad habit when taxiing in a small aircraft when cornering is to constantly use the brakes instead of steering it nicely around the curves with the nose wheel steering. It might be easier to have control that way, but it wears the brakes and unless it is a tail dragger it should not be done that way.
I cannot say that I've mastered it completely yet, but with the right attitude and the willingness to learn I will get there
[Edited 2007-12-04 08:59:30]
: I taxi perfectly by being an unbelievably good pilot. Oh, and by reading the Jeppesen 10-9 airport diagram, having the F/O help out, taxiing at a safe
: I've never gotten dizzy but a sim is definitely unnatural and fake.
: In the CRJ sim it is actually possible to become a bit naseous because the visual really doesn't match the motion. You see one thing and feel somethin
: Some aircraft, such as the Boeing 777, also have a tiller for the First Officer. I've watched cockpit videos on Youtube of the A340-600, and due to i
: 737NG's this is a option as well as A300's David