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How Many Hours Does It Take To Be A Pilot?  
User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Hey guys I'm just curious if anyone had a list or detailed list regarding requirements for hours and qualifications for different airlines. This question stems from an ad I saw for Emirates wanting pilots in North America! I can really see the demand world wide for pilots now more and more. If anyone can post one that'd be great. I'm training through a pilot sponsorship so my first job will be on what I'm told and probably with about 250 or 300 hrs. Anyone care to ad to this?!

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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average. He can thank his flight instructor  Wink.

Cheers!

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4367 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 1):
It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average. He can thank his flight instructor  .

384 hours? I'll be done in 45  Smile

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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

I belive it is a minimum of about 250 hours in order to get your commercial certificate so your friends estimate seems to really be lowballing it. The lowest airline hiring minimums I've seen are 400hrs TT. The number of hours required also depends on quality of the time. You need X number of hours of Multi-engine time in order to be considered. Where you do your flight training counts too. Some flight training schools have bridge programs and hiring agreements where certain airlines will hire you with lower minimums.

User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4372 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 1):
It took a friend of mine about 384 hours to get his private pilot certificate, that's a lot better than average.

You mean 38.4?


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4336 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 4):
You mean 38.4?

No, 384 hours roughly, start to finish.....pretty good if you ask me. It took me closer to 724 hours to get my PPL!

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 2):

384 hours? I'll be done in 45


In only 45 hours, WOW that's really getting it on!

I can only imagine the cost in Sweden, heck, I can barely afford to buy avgas in the US!

Cheers!

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4324 times:



Quoting Boeingluvr (Thread starter):
Hey guys I'm just curious if anyone had a list or detailed list regarding requirements for hours and qualifications for different airlines. This question stems from an ad I saw for Emirates wanting pilots in North America! I can really see the demand world wide for pilots now more and more. If anyone can post one that'd be great. I'm training through a pilot sponsorship so my first job will be on what I'm told and probably with about 250 or 300 hrs. Anyone care to ad to this?!

Boeingluvr,

There's not enough information to answer your question honestly. Are you in the UK, US, or other? Are you willing to move? Are you willing to work for an "unlivable" wage at first? Do you have any conditions that might hurt/help your employment chances (DUI, or at the other end, are you related to somebody in a hiring department)?

It can be a rewarding career, but do it because you like to fly, and enjoy the process, or you might be dissapointed.

Cheers!

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

I got mine under 50hrs.

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

You do realize PPL is short for PRIVATE pilot's licence, right? I'm about done with mine and I will have about 50-60 hrs total. Which is on the higher time side of average. The FAA minimum hours to complete a PPL are currently 40 hours.
A commercial certificate requires 120 hrs if training under part 141 or 250 for part 61. Those numbers seem extremely high for a PPL. Your CFI is milking it.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4304 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 5):
No, 384 hours roughly, start to finish.....pretty good if you ask me.

Not really good at all. With the national average around 70 hours, 5 times that is awful. I got mine in 41 hours.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

I got my PPL in 45 hours. I've clocked up about 140 hours now and so once I've finally got my ATPL written exams out the way I only need to get about another 10 hours PIC before I can start my CPL... That's a minimum of 25 hours, then the Instrument Rating is 55 Hours IIRC although some of this is in the sim but 15 hours has to be Multi Engine I think. Then when that's done I'll need to do an MCC Course and then I can apply for the airlines... It's a long and winding road! But all good fun apart from these damn exams, which are doing my head in!!

That's just for JAA regulations... and seeing as your flag says UK I guess you're British!

Hope that helps..



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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

Cheers!

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4275 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 5):
It took me closer to 724 hours to get my PPL!



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 11):
Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

No, your in the air for 40 hours. I don't understand, if it took you some 700 hours to get your license, how is that less time in the air than getting it in 50-60 hours.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

I got my CAA/JAA CPL at 120 hours (plus 15 hours sim), and will be attaining my ATPL at a shade over 145 hours (plus 45 hours sim) total; which makes 384 hours for a PPL seem ridiculous!


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4258 times:



Quoting T773ER (Reply 12):
No, your in the air for 40 hours. I don't understand, if it took you some 700 hours to get your license, how is that less time in the air than getting it in 50-60 hours.

724 hours/24 hours per day = about 30 days. It took him one month to get his license. Not 724 hours of flying time, just 724 hours from start to finish.



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 14):
724 hours/24 hours per day = about 30 days. It took him one month to get his license. Not 724 hours of flying time, just 724 hours from start to finish.

I've never had anybody refer to it that way before. Typically the number of hours refers to your total flight time, not time on the ground and in the air.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4253 times:



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):
which makes 384 hours for a PPL seem ridiculous!

We're obviously talking different things .. I hope  Smile

I'm not sure I'd want to fly with somebody who took 7 times the average hours to get his license!

One of the worse pilots I ever knew, who was in his 60's when he first flew, took almost 200hrs ... and I thought that was bad!

I took 56hrs BTW.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4248 times:



Quoting T773ER (Reply 12):
I don't understand,

Neither do I but I'm guessing this 384 hours = 16 days total to get the license.
724 hours = 1 month to finish?

Right SLCPilot? It took you a month to get your private?


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4242 times:



Quoting T773ER (Reply 15):
I've never had anybody refer to it that way before. Typically the number of hours refers to your total flight time, not time on the ground and in the air.

I think he knows that.  Smile



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4227 times:



Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 11):
Really folks, I don't know how you're doing it in so little time! You'd have to be in the air almost continously to get your PPL in 40 hours! If you train via 141 you can do it in as little as 35, but when do you sleep? Wouldn't you be tired after 35 straight hours of flying, and then going straight to your practical exam?

Hours are the things you write down in your log book. Do you write down sleeping in yours? If you do, you are doing it wrong.


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Sorry Folks.

Yellowstone gets the prize ! I just saw the thread and that was the first thing that came into my mind. I taught my buddy to fly in 16 days, start to finish. He even got to solo a taildragger off grass on the third day!

The prize? Heck I don't know. Yellowstone, if you want an hour of free dual (airplane included) in a Cessna 180, Glastar (taildragger), or Mooney, let me know and we'll go for a flight.

To the others, I hope I didn't waste too much of your time. I did try to answer the original question.

Cheers!

SLCPilot



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9037 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
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User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 843 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
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Boy! Some of y'all record data alot different than me. I have never, ever heard of someone counting the days/total hours alive in relation to obtaining a PPL. I soloed on my 7th hour and obtained my license with 46 total "flight/logged" hours. This was in 1978 and it took me a full summer to get it done due to finances, I was a junior in high school and delivered pizzas to get the money. Enjoy the time obtaining your license, you will only do it once and there is nothing better than the "first" time you do it. To put things into perspective, I paid $10/hr. wet and $5/hr. instructor.

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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4042 times:



Quoting 737tdi (Reply 22):
Boy! Some of y'all record data alot different than me.

I beleive it was only one of y'all  Wink

But by that time recording basis, I had 1200hrs before I got my PPL ...it took me 4 years elapsed!


Jimbo



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Seeing as the Emirates ad sparked your interest, lets take note of there minimum requirements for an F/O's position.

4000 hours Total Time, 2000 hours Multi-Crew, Multi-Engined Jet aircraft, ATPL and Type Rating prefered.

Funny how flying schools fail to mention things like this. In NZ you wont even get a look in for a Turboprop job (1900, Dash 8 etc.) without 1000-1500+ hours.


25 BoeingOnFinal : Well I doubt that any school would say that you'll get to fly an A330, A340 or B777 after 250 TT. If so, you have yourself to blame for believing in t
26 Mhodgson : Depends on the school - my school sends recruits to BA (A320, B737), DHL (B757), easyJet (A319), Ryanair (B737) to name but a few. In fact, the major
27 Pilotpip : 60 hours for the private 120 total by the time I had my instrument 190 at multi commercial 250 at CFI 700 for the first airline job. I've been flying
28 Post contains images Jetlagged : Best wind up of the year so far.
29 Bok269 : Keep in mind, minimums are inversely related to the quality of the carrier (in terms of work rules, pay, quality of life). You could get a job at 250,
30 Post contains images WILCO737 : I wouldnt say that at all! As I stated earlier: I had less than 300 hours when I got hired by Lufthansa!! I attended their own flightschool, so LH kn
31 Zeke : That is changing. Very common for Asian airlines. EK cadets are F/Os with that sort of time on the equipment you listed.
32 Mhodgson : Disagree. My FTO has graduates who have gone to BA, BD, EI, KL, LH and SQ with fewer than 250 hours.
33 Mr AirNZ : Not in New Zealand yet and not for the foreseeable future. Heck we've just had a law change which now requires pilots of Single Pilot IFR operators t
34 Zeke : PacBlue had 30 out of 90 pilots resign, Jetconnect are having trouble getting drivers, so is Jetstar (NZ base), people are turning down NZ interviews
35 Post contains images Mr AirNZ : Heavily involved in the NZ industry (I'm going to assume you also were/are) so I will agree with most of what you have written. Whilst Eagle and Air
36 Post contains images Zeke : Not if you move to SYD. Besides I think they find the novelty of running water, inside toilets, electricity, TV, low crime rate and the dole too much
37 Post contains images IAirAllie : *Sigh* I hate you!
38 Post contains images Mir : I think you mean directly related (as minimums go down, quality also goes down). And, as others have said, that isn't always the case (though it is m
39 Post contains images BoeingOnFinal : Seriously on the bashing head thing due prices in the mid 70's?? Please, you have to know that the value of a dollar back then is not nearly comparabl
40 Post contains images Bok269 : I should have clarified-this would be true for regional carriers in the US. Out of curiosity, is LH and LH cargo one pilot group? Correct.
41 IAirAllie : I guarantee I could not afford a PPL in this day and age if I had a job delivering pizza's at the current rate. I can barely afford it on $40,000 a y
42 Mir : I know there's inflation. But it isn't THAT much. -Mir
43 INNflight : Ryanair will throw a B737 after you if you sign their shite T&C's and come with a SSTR......!!! Tons of 250hrs graduates at the lo-cos!
44 Post contains images BoeingOnFinal : You're right. It is expensive, no doubt about that. I live in Norway, and know all about high prizes. Can we agree on one thing though, still worth e
45 Bond007 : Depending on what indexes/inflation rates you use ... it's around $50/hr in today's money .... still cheap! Jimbo
46 IAirAllie : Absolutely! About a 3rd of what I pay (with instructor). Even $50/hr. would be fantastic.
47 57AZ : My Dad got his in the minimum 40 hrs. In fact, his instructors were impressed with his skills to the point that they wanted to see if he could do it
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