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Charges For Flying Over Different Countries  
User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Hi,

Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?

Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?


Raj Koona
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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7912 times:



Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?

Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?

Here is the charges for the US. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...national_aviation/overflight_fees/

NavCanada http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...newsreleases/2005/nr1202_12_en.pdf

EuroControl http://www.eurocontrol.int/crco/gall.../public/docs/unit_rates/ur0801.pdf
http://www.eurocontrol.int/crco/publ...tandard_page/basic_unit_rates.html


User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7908 times:

As you can see from Phil's list countries determine their own method of charging for aircraft (airline) overflights. Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court.

We are billed directly by the FAA, NAV CANADA, EUROCONTROL, etc. for overflight fees.

The decision to exempt domestic flag carriers from overflight fees is up to the regulatory authority.



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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Looking at the FAA chart above, it would add a reasonable amount of cost to a nonstop Canada-Australia flight!

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7782 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
Here is the charges for the US. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...fees/

Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7780 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
NavCanada http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...n.pdf

There are quite a few examples of NavCanada charges based on various routings and aircraft types in Appendix C (starting on about page 34 of the PDF) in their current charges guide below,
http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...ocharges/Customer_Guide_New_en.pdf


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7778 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.

Gemuser

They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3621 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7765 times:



Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 2):
Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court

Wow, that's pretty interesting. Do you have a link to any info about that case? Why wouldnt they technically be allowed to do so? Is it because the ATC system is federal and not state?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7731 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 6):
They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.

When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 8):
When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?

Overflight Fees
Fees in U.S.-Controlled Airspace
The FAA charges overflight fees to operators of aircraft that fly in U.S.-controlled airspace, but neither take off nor land in the United States. There are two types of fees:

Enroute -- $33.72 per 100 nautical miles (nm), Great Circle Distance (GCD), from point of entry into to point of exit from U.S.-controlled airspace
Oceanic -- $15.94 per 100 nm, GCD


If the aircraft overflies US territory the overflight charges are billed. If it lands or departs the US there are no charges. That's why the title of the page is OVERFLIGHT CHARGES

Here is the congressional authorisation for the implementation of user fees. http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf70/136814_web.pdf

[Edited 2008-01-20 03:24:00]

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