Qslinger From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
Hi,
Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?
Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?
PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter): Am curious as to how much money do airlines usually pay to cross over a country. Eg: Flight from DXB to LHR crosses over numerous countries, how is the fee calculated. Does it vary by country to country? When is this fees paid and how? If the fees is paid and due to some unusual circumstance, the airline did not fly over the country, is the fees refunded?
Are the charges applicable for an airline flying over its own country?
FlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
As you can see from Phil's list countries determine their own method of charging for aircraft (airline) overflights. Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court.
We are billed directly by the FAA, NAV CANADA, EUROCONTROL, etc. for overflight fees.
The decision to exempt domestic flag carriers from overflight fees is up to the regulatory authority.
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward" Leonardo Da Vinci
Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.
PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3826 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4): Phil
Does the FAA actually charge the Oceanic fees? I seem to remember a big stink over this because the aircraft concerned does not enter US airspace and many countries/airlines refused to pay, but never heard if it was resolved.
Gemuser
They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3361 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3813 times:
Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 2): Years ago a state, I think it was Montana (forgive me if I am incorrect), tried to charge aircraft for overflights. It was challenged and defeated in Federal Court
Wow, that's pretty interesting. Do you have a link to any info about that case? Why wouldnt they technically be allowed to do so? Is it because the ATC system is federal and not state?
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3779 times:
Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 6): They sure do, just as any other country would do if an aircraft operated in their oceanic airspace.
When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?
PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 8): When did charges start for non terriotiral airspace, in general start? Do you have another ref. The FAA one you quoted said nothing about them except for the map. The orginal agreements that set up Oceanic control airspace had no provisions for charging, and there weren't any for many years. How was the matter resolved (confrenance, agreement, convention)?
Overflight Fees
Fees in U.S.-Controlled Airspace
The FAA charges overflight fees to operators of aircraft that fly in U.S.-controlled airspace, but neither take off nor land in the United States. There are two types of fees:
Enroute -- $33.72 per 100 nautical miles (nm), Great Circle Distance (GCD), from point of entry into to point of exit from U.S.-controlled airspace
Oceanic -- $15.94 per 100 nm, GCD
If the aircraft overflies US territory the overflight charges are billed. If it lands or departs the US there are no charges. That's why the title of the page is OVERFLIGHT CHARGES
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