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ATR72-600 And It's Improvements? (plus Cometition)  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

ATR has rolled out it's newest line of the ATR, the ATR-72-600. Does is stand a chance against the Q400? I guess it's two different markets as the seating is greater on the larger Q400 but it would still be considered a competitor. Now, from you guys perspective on reading the specs and upgrades, are we seeing a huge improvement between it and the -200 and 500? Aside from the upgrades avionics. What improvememnts are we seeing here? Can we expect to see the departure of the lumpering, low and slow ATR to a faster turbo-prop?

http://www.skycontrol.net/business-g...0%98-600-series%E2%80%99-aircraft/


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Apart from avionics, the aircraft also has upgraded engines (PW127M), and IIRC a slightly higher MTOW. Field performance should improve, but speed will stay about the same.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7541 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 1):

Well that sucks. I think this will turn away a lot of customers but I guess they know what they are doing.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7431 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Well that sucks. I think this will turn away a lot of customers

I don't think so. ATR customers mainly fly the aircraft on short hops where speed isn't overly important. But in return, you get better fuel economy, and that's why ATR is doing that well.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7353 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 3):

I don't think so. ATR customers mainly fly the aircraft on short hops where speed isn't overly important. But in return, you get better fuel economy, and that's why ATR is doing that well.

Exactly.

I'm currently flying the 145 on stages such as ORD-MLI/SBN/MKE, STL-SPI/SGF/DSM/CID. A prop would be just as fast on those routes (in fact, nobody in the company has been able to beat the 8 minutes SPI-STL that the J-41 did back in the day) yet we're still flying the jet at the cost of a ton of fuel.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7317 times:



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 4):
Exactly.

I'm currently flying the 145 on stages such as ORD-MLI/SBN/MKE, STL-SPI/SGF/DSM/CID. A prop would be just as fast on those routes (in fact, nobody in the company has been able to beat the 8 minutes SPI-STL that the J-41 did back in the day) yet we're still flying the jet at the cost of a ton of fuel.

I see both you guys point. That's why I wonder why US carriers (yes, they pretty much dicate what goes on with regionals) pretty much tossed the turbo-prop and we now have Delta running the CRJ on ATL-MCN! That's ridicoulous. I really think we will start to see a rise in profits again if we got ride of a lot of these 50 seaters on some of the shorter routes and replace them with the TP.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7280 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
That's why I wonder why US carriers (yes, they pretty much dicate what goes on with regionals) pretty much tossed the turbo-prop and we now have Delta running the CRJ on ATL-MCN! That's ridicoulous.

Well, back in the nineties, fuel was extremely cheap, compared to the level nowadays. So some smart folks decided to throw jets at such routes, just for the sake of the jet-mania.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7271 times:
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Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
Well, back in the nineties, fuel was extremely cheap, compared to the level nowadays. So some smart folks decided to throw jets at such routes, just for the sake of the jet-mania.

There are lots of signs it's turning around. Both ATR and Bombardier are scoring sales of their top-line turboprops, bought by airlines who understand the economics. The biggest worry, frankly, is that this god-awful recession will throw a monkey wrench into that. Rather than a choice between an RJ or a turboprop, it will be neither as routes die left, right and centre.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7252 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
There are lots of signs it's turning around. Both ATR and Bombardier are scoring sales of their top-line turboprops, bought by airlines who understand the economics.

 checkmark  No doubt about that.



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