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Are MD-80's Saying Good-bye  
User currently offlineEjaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

I've been hearing that major MD-80 operators such as American Airlines, and Delta Airlines are going to be getting rid of there MD-80/90's if this is true why. The MD-80s and especiall the MD-90 still have plenty of life left in them so why are they leaving.

Ejay MD-11

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User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

I can't imagine American getting rid of them, I mean what would they replace them with. I haven't heard anything, but AA has so many of those I'd be surprised if they did lay them to rest in pieces in the graveyards.


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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

They may be out of production and some airlines are exchanging some almost 20-year old specimens with newer planes,but they will still be around for at least another 10-15 years.

Hushkits are being studied,as well.



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User currently offlineMb339 From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

That's true.
For example Alitalia, which has the largest european fleet of Md82, is going to replace these aircrafts with the newest A320. [A319-A320-A321]


User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 680 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Contrary to what Notar520AC and FBU are saying, yes, American andDelta are retiring their entire MD-80 fleets. An aquaintance of mine who works for American informed me they have slready started retirement in fabor of the 737-800. The same goes just for Delta as well.

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User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

The MD80's that AA is currently retiring and replacing with B737-800's are the one's acquired from Reno Air last year. The do not conform to the rest of the AA MD80's and AA decided that it was better to get rid of them than to convert them over to AA standards. All of the Reno Air MD80s should be gone by next January.

User currently offlineOytun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Hi, This should be right. Three days ago I saw a MD 83 taking off. The plane was waiting at the apron for 2 hours 45 min. Although the schedueled departure time was 07: 15, it departured at 10:00. I can noy think about the passengers that how funny they are. One observation was that the plane produced a lot of smoke during take off. I am afraid they are having the last days.

User currently offlineOldelwood From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

I dont know about AA but Delta is replacing there 727 and 737-200 with the new 737-800.I havent heard about any MD-80 or MD-90' being replaced.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4827 times:



Quoting Ejaymd11 (Thread starter):
I've been hearing that major md-80 operators such as American Airlines, and Delta Airlines are going to be getting rid of there md-80/90's if this is true why. The md-80s and especiall the MD-90 still have plenty of life left in them so why are they leaving.



Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 4):
Contrary to what Notar520AC and FBU are saying, yes, American andDelta are retiring their entire MD-80 fleets. An aquaintance of mine who works for American informed me they have slready started retirement in fabor of the 737-800. The same goes just for Delta as well.



Quoting Oytun (Reply 6):
Hi, This should be right. Three days ago I saw a MD 83 taking off. The plane was waiting at the apron for 2 hours 45 min. Although the schedueled departure time was 07: 15, it departured at 10:00. I can noy think about the passengers that how funny they are. One observation was that the plane produced a lot of smoke during take off. I am afraid they are having the last days.

While searching for something else I came across this from 2000/2001, and found it rather entertaining. 80's may be finally starting out the doors at AA now, but the rumor's of the MD-80's death are greatly exaggerated. I guess the longstanding of this line of speculation was what amused and surprised me most.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3047 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4763 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 8):
80's may be finally starting out the doors at AA now, but the rumor's of the MD-80's death are greatly exaggerated.

Indeed. I wonder if the current drop in fuel prices hasn't given some of the MD-80s a temporary "stay of execution"?



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2503 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

DL has parked a few MD80's this fall. They are only parked and not retired at this time. The possiblity of more MD90's coming into the fleet is still there also.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18684 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4594 times:



Quoting Notar520AC (Reply 1):
I can't imagine American getting rid of them, I mean what would they replace them with.

737NG's. More economical, longer range, and with the same fuselage cross-section as the 757, it can be used to introduce premium services on medium-haul flights that don't merit a widebody like SAN-BOS.


User currently offlineDelcoder From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Having worked for American for over 30 years, I can't tell you how many times and for how long I heard we were getting rid of the 727 until it actually happened.

As I understand it, the decision for retiring an aircraft fleet is purely a monetary one. The older the airplane the longer and more extensive the C check hence the greater the cost. Generally, the older the airplane the more frequently things fail. More cost. Older model engines are not as fuel efficient as newer ones. More cost. When the equasion gets to the point that the cash outflow to keep and maintain an aging fleet exceeds the cost of acquiring new aircraft the old ones will go. There is one exception, however. With respect to the 727, in the time frame when American wished to retire them, they could not get replacement aircraft quickly enough and the public was flying like crazy. In that context, it made sense to keep them and make a small profit margin rather than retiring them and make no profit margin.


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 708 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
Indeed. I wonder if the current drop in fuel prices hasn't given some of the MD-80s a temporary "stay of execution"?

I doubt it... more I would say, it allows them to make some money in the short term to offset the expenditures in the acquisition of their replacements...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18684 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

So it just occurred to me that the reason this thread seems so idiotic is because the first post was in 2001.

Now who looks idiotic?


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 708 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4221 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 8):
While searching for something else I came across this from 2000/2001, and found it rather entertaining. 80's may be finally starting out the doors at AA now, but the rumor's of the MD-80's death are greatly exaggerated. I guess the longstanding of this line of speculation was what amused and surprised me most.

It's alright Doc.. I had to look through it before posting because I noticed it was old... there was the post that revived it...



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Is it possible that the JT8's are being run out with no ambition to replace them, making the airframe type useless...(just a thought). Not too much around anymore with PW JT8's...

User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4101 times:
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Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that the JT8's are being run out with no ambition to replace them, making the airframe type useless...(just a thought). Not too much around anymore with PW JT8's...

When engines are run out, they are overhauled, not replaced with new engines.

There are still hundreds of DC-9/MD80’s and 727’s still flying around the world. P&W still supports and manufacturers spare parts for the JT8 and will continue for a long time because parts are a profitable business. In addition there probably are other companies making parts under a PMA approval.

I read in Aviation Week magazine that P&W is going back in production for the JT8 to support a re-engining program for the former civilian B-707’s that the Air Force uses to replace the original JT4 engines.


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4092 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 17):

I'm aware of overhaul options and hush kits and all that stuff...just seems that newer types that are more fuel efficient are more attractive to airlines and builders...eventually the JT-8 will go the way of JT-3's for some reason or another...just a matter of time...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4076 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 17):
I read in Aviation Week magazine that P&W is going back in production for the JT8 to support a re-engining program for the former civilian B-707’s that the Air Force uses to replace the original JT4 engines.

Yes I read that article also. The primary re-engining project is for the 17 USAF E-8C J-STARS radar targeting/surveillance aircraft which were converted from retired commercial 707-320C airframes. They use the JT3D turbofan (TF-33 in military terminology)), not the JT4 which was a turbojet used on the DC-8-20/30 and 707-220/320 and several military types but not on any US military 707 variants.


User currently offline767nutter From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3948 times:



Quoting Ejaymd11 (Thread starter):
I've been hearing that major MD-80 operators such as American Airlines, and Delta Airlines are going to be getting rid of there MD-80/90's if this is true why. The MD-80s and especiall the MD-90 still have plenty of life left in them so why are they leaving.

Ejay MD-11

Heres how it is at the moment ( all varients of MD-80/90)

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AA were saying they would be replacing the MD-80's with 737-800's but the A320 was also being considered. However the size of the MD-80 fleet means the MD-80 will still be flying for a while to come, unless of course AA go bust or decide to get rid of them altogether and cut routes which i doubt.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3932 times:



Quoting 767nutter (Reply 20):
However the size of the MD-80 fleet means the MD-80 will still be flying for a while to come, unless of course AA go bust

Anything is possible in the US airline industry, I just hope it does not happen.

Quoting 767nutter (Reply 20):
or decide to get rid of them altogether and cut routes which i doubt.

They won't dump them all at once of course. However I doubt the 80 fleet will be replaced on a one-for one basis given the current economic climate and the emphasis placed on international routes.


User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

I don't remember which threads I've read it in but I believe starting in Jan 09 AA is going to start taking delivery of a new 738 something like every 10 days. I'm gonna try and find a link

Found One:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...3023&s=AA+738+deliveries#ID4143023

[Edited 2008-10-25 09:47:40]


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4068 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

It's a very inefficient, noisy cramped airframe these days when you compare it with anything new from A or B, time for it to go.


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4068 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

It's a very inefficient, noisy cramped airframe these days when you compare it with anything new from A or B, time for it to go.


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25 TSS : Cramped? MD-80s use the same seats as 737s or A320s, and how closely those seats are mounted to each other depends on the individual operator, not on
26 Max Q : Our configuration was pretty cramped, I really meant noisy on the outside, when I flew them we burned around 7000 Pounds an hour average which is pret
27 TSS : Gotcha. No argument there. I've heard rumors that there are people outside ANet who don't like the sound of jet engines. YES! Finally, raw numbers! T
28 Aviationbuff : SV has a fleet of 27 MD-80's, which will be replaced in the near future by A320's. The reason for the replacement is that MD-80's does not have the le
29 Pfletch1228 : That must have been on VERY SHORT pairings. Fuel flow in the cruise at .77 @ FL35 is normally about 3100/lbs/hour/engine. So about 6200lbs per hour.
30 TWAL1011727 : It sure is interesting how this thread hasn't been used for 7 years then it pops up again with more responses than when it was posted. KD
31 Max Q : Typical legs for us were about 2.5 - 3.5 hours generally with a full load operating usually at .78 Mach.
32 JoseKMLB : Correct me if I am wrong but I think the md-88s will be replaced with the 737-700s for DELTA
33 TinPusher007 : Um Delta has retired their 727's and 732's for quite some time now. And yes the 727's direct replacement was the 738. The 732's im not sure were dire
34 TrijetsRMissed : The funny thing is, in another seven years, someone is going to look back at similiar threads that have been written recently about the MD-80's demise
35 PGNCS : Hey Trijets! You beat me to the punch line!
36 Northwest727 : P&W is also supposed to keep the JT8D-200 in production for a new supersonic business jet. Not sure if the high oil prices killed that off or if it i
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