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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

OK...as I have stated on numerous other posts, consider me an idiot when it comes to things technical and mechanical...but I have to ask....is it just me, or are the tails on many Russian-built airliners exceptionally tall? We don't get many flying in to Bermuda but there was one a few weeks ago, and the tail really caught my eye. It was enormous, so I decided to look at photographs of some Russian-built airliners, and many of them seem to have these massive tails.

Don't ask me which airliner it was, because it was a while back, but if this is the case....is there a reason for this?

(Also, if I'm in the wrong forum, please just shift this!!)

Thanks


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User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Hi Kmh1956,

What was the type? Did you catch a reg.? Il-96s (four wing-mounted engines, like an A340-200 - might have been Cubana?) can look very tall thanks to them being a slight shrink from the Il-86 but with a similar tailplane. If it was an Il-62, with four jets mounted on the rear fuselage, the T-tail design is very tall to get the horizontal stabiliser out of the wing wash when the aircraft stalls and retain some elevator authority. Other than that, other T-tailed jets can look very high-finned, so if it was a Tu-134 or 154 (seems unlikely, given their short range, but who knows?) that might be what you saw.

I think it was probably most likely an Il-96, though.  Smile However, I've not noticed them being particularly large-tailed.

If it was an Antonov or Ilyushin freighter, that might be your explanation. The An-124 and Il-76 both have mahoosive tails! Big grin

Cheers,

Toni



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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 1):
If it was an Il-62, with four jets mounted on the rear fuselage,

Yeah, that's what it was. that tail looked HUGE. At the time, there was a 727, a 777 and (I think) a 340 at the airport as well.

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 1):
given their short range,

How short range? We're only an hour an a half or so from the US east coast....

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 1):
If it was an Antonov or Ilyushin freighter,

I wish!! Although theone I really want to see is the An-225, and chances of seeing it in BDA are slim or none!!


Thanks, Toni!!
Kelly

[Edited 2008-02-20 15:54:44]


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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 2):
Yeah, that's what it was. that tail looked HUGE. At the time, there was a 727, a 777 and (I think) a 340 at the airport as well.

First this begs the question...what was an Il-62 doing in Bermuda  Smile ?. There's only about 20 of them flying passengers, the rest are military/government.

The tail on it isn't THAT big IMO but it also has to do with the fact that the Il-62 has no hydraulic boosters for the controls, so a taller tail would mean a longer moment arm and less work for the pilot  Smile


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
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Quoting Kmh1956 (Thread starter):
is it just me, or are the tails on many Russian-built airliners exceptionally tall?

I always thought the VC-10s tail looked immense:


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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2186 times:



Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 3):
what was an Il-62 doing in Bermuda

Good question...we do get some interesting stuff in here sometimes for refuelling or emergency medical landings.....but usually if it's an emergency we'll hear about it in the news. When I saw it, it wasn't parked in the same area as the usual scheduled passenger planes, but further down where they put the cargo, mail, and unexpected visitors....

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 4):
I always thought the VC-10s tail looked immense:

Yeah, but not as big as this thing was...it looked out of place. BTW...I LOVED the VC-10; flew on her down to Florida back in 1974 when BOAC (as it was then) had direct flights from BDA...brilliant!! Loud and powerful.



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2154 times:



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):
Yeah, but not as big as this thing was...it looked out of place

That's interesting, the VC-10s tail is actually physically bigger than the Il-62 although the VC-10 itself is smaller(fuselage and wings)

Are you sure it was an Il-62?


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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2149 times:



Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 6):
Are you sure it was an Il-62?

That's the one....looked like a cargo flight, perhaps....don't recall markings, and couldn't see reg from where I was.....but that's definitely what it was. (Bear in mind, I haven't laid eyes on a VC-10 since '74!!)



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User currently offlineLemmy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1971 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 4):
I always thought the VC-10s tail looked immense

Same here. There's a great picture in Handling the Big Jets of someone changing a light on a VC-10's tail, and he's waaaay up there. After seeing that picture, I though the VC-10 was a much bigger airplane than it actually is.



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