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Process Of Painting An Airliner

SXDFC From United States, joined Dec 2007, 1335 posts, RR: 19
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Hey Guys:

I have noticed many times in many pictures when planes first roll out of the paint shop and look sharp and clean, and I always wondered what process it takes to paint one, Is there certain parts of the plane that get removed? Do the wings get painted? Also in the case of a 737 do they plug the eye brows, repaint the winglets? All of this information would be gladly appreciated, I wonder what part of the plane they start with first!

Bobby Catone / Accelerating the Marathon!

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EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2161 times:

mask it...strip it.... prep it...wash it.... prime it... paint it.....

Mask it..... composite areas and windows are protected during the stripping process.
Strip it...... Chemical stripper is applied. It is left on for a few hours. It is then pressure washed away.
Prep it...... the fuselage is cleaned up by hand sanding all areas.. including composites
Wash it... . the fuselage is pressure washed again....then alodined.
Prime it..... just what it says..primer is applied
Paint it...... the finish coats are applied. Logos are layed out following blue-prints. Placards are installed.

Yes.... many times the wings are painted.
No... on 737 they do not just plug the windows. The plug Mod is pretty extensive.

[Edited 2008-02-21 15:35:46]

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FlyUSCG From United States, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2149 times:

There are several videos on YouTube that are quick time lapses of aircraft painting. Everything from CRJ's to A340's. They are pretty impressive videos and even have some good music with them. I am also fascinated with aircraft painting and would love to do it someday. But definitely check out those videos, really cool stuff.

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FlyUSCG From United States, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2135 times:

Here is Horizon's latest project...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVuQyI6aaE&feature=related OSU Beaver's CRJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SKY7K_KUDs&feature=related Oregon Ducks CRJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvz6fIKL4I&feature=related WSU Cougars CRJ
I imagine the Huskies plane is in the shop right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOH_rmaNcU 737 Dreamliner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilXDziiS7H0&feature=related Dragonair A330 assembly painting

There is also a Virgin America one that isn't as exciting as far as the scheme goes but does show the ridiculous number of coats they put on per color.

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Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

are there any major advantages to painting after construction like boeing and airbus do it as opposed to embraer?

why is it more common to see airplanes painted with the gear down rather than the gear up and the airplane on jacks. wouldn't having the gear stowed make it easier to evenly paint the fuselage?

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EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 4):

Makes no difference at all.....

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

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Ok so I have a question.

I've heard many people say some "paint jobs" is actually just a bunch of stickers.

Not sure how to explain what I mean but it's just printed graphics and not actually sprayed on.

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Inbound From Trinidad And Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
I've heard many people say some "paint jobs" is actually just a bunch of stickers.

Yup, it's true. Our entire "livery" at Caribbean Airlines is just a bunch of stickers on a white painted background/base.
Even the huge hummingbird is stuck on.

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Tbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
Ok so I have a question.

I've heard many people say some "paint jobs" is actually just a bunch of stickers.

Not sure how to explain what I mean but it's just printed graphics and not actually sprayed on.

Quoting Inbound (Reply 7):
Yup, it's true. Our entire "livery" at Caribbean Airlines is just a bunch of stickers on a white painted background/base.
Even the huge hummingbird is stuck on.

So are ours.

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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 7):
Yup, it's true. Our entire "livery" at Caribbean Airlines is just a bunch of stickers on a white painted background/base.
Even the huge hummingbird is stuck on.

Is there an added benefit?

I know our Blue Bonnet and Atlanta Stone Mountain special liveries is stickers too.

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EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Tbanger (Reply 8):
So are ours.

Not all of it...... it's a mix of paint and placards.........

ps.... 389 is due to leave Nashville today.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):

Is there an added benefit?

You can do some more complex stuff. Just look at Frontier's tails.......

[Edited 2008-02-22 09:18:37]

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

DALMD88 From United States, joined Jul 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

This one was all paint.

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It has been asked if painting up on jacks with the gear sucked up had any advantages. I think it does, especially on a wide body. I first saw it down that way when we started painting the DHL 767s in ATL. They jacked the plane, sucked up the gear and then lowered the jacks. Two big time savings resulted. First you don't have to mask off the gear wells. Second, the bottom of the plane was now at a level that could be shot from the ground. With the plane on it's gear the belly had to be shot off of scissor lifts. The rest of the plane could still be shot off of the 'Flying carpet' stacker cranes.

EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Tbanger (Reply 8):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N389AE

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

SXDFC From United States, joined Dec 2007, 1335 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Anyone know if WN's Slam Dunk One or Shamu are stickers?

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EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 13):

Painted..........

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

Skyweasy82 From United States, joined Jun 2007, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 9):
I know our Blue Bonnet and Atlanta Stone Mountain special liveries is stickers too.

Actually those are all paint. The silver and soaring 700's are stickers. 738EV and 740EV. 849AS "The Ant Hill" had a grey bottom for a while because that was the one that had the left gear collapse about 6 years ago.

JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 2902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

How long does it take to paint an airplane?

I'll take 100 litres a side AVGAS with Prist - C172 pilot

EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 16):
How long does it take to paint an airplane?

How big is the plane..? How complex is the job...? how many colors...???? what quality do you want...? strip and paint, or sand and paint...? Pick a number.........

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 2902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 17):

Dash 8?
B737?
B747?
A380?

Does the paint peel off like "skin" or does it need to be sanded off?

I'll take 100 litres a side AVGAS with Prist - C172 pilot

EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8389 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):

You're still asking a question with many answers.....

How complex is the job...? how many colors...???? what quality do you want...? strip and paint, or sand and paint...?

In the basic sense... I saw UAL 747-400's get painted in about 10-14 days working 3 shifts.... I've seen Piedmont Dash-8 get painted in about 7 days. Keep in mind a lot of that is driven by the number of people you have working the job. We did an E135.... not a Legacy... for a corporate client last year that was in the paint shop for 3 weeks.

[Edited 2008-02-23 13:17:49]

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"

Tbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10):
Not all of it...... it's a mix of paint and placards.........

The only painted areas are the blue and orange on the tail. The logo's are "Stickers". I know because we get them made in Oz and send them over for EAMS to put on prior to delivery.

Oh yeah and the large rego under the left wing is painted too. (It's in a vulnerable position and doesn't adhere too well.)

FlyUSCG From United States, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 3):
I imagine the Huskies plane is in the shop right now.

And I can now confirm that the Huskies plane is painted and flying the line. I saw it at the Alaska terminal when I pulled into LAX today.

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Miller22 From United States, joined Nov 2000, 604 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

This article shows a time-lapse video of an A320 being painted. First is the primer. Then the white base paint, and then the red accents.

http://www.airlineempires.net/content/view/223/79/

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DALMD88 From United States, joined Jul 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 16):
How long does it take to paint an airplane?

I think DL is allocating seven days for the new paint scheme on the 757/767. That is the same for a strip job or a sand job. I believe they are allowing two layers of paint before they strip to bare metal.

HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27761 posts, RR: 61
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Quoting Tbanger (Reply 20):
The logo's are "Stickers

Not to pick on,but the correct term is "Decals".
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MEL

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57AZ From United States, joined Nov 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Decals are also used on railcars and buses-such as advertising wraps. Decals are fine for viewing at a distance, but the difference in finish quality between decals and paint can be quite noticeable up close. The tourist railroad I worked for experimented with vinyl striping and painted striping and determined that painting was the better method for our livery. We did keep with the vinyl letters for the letterboard though. When working with decals or transfers, you do have to take care that the surface they are applied to is not contaminated and smooth them to prevent air from being trapped.

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