Phileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 292 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Not sure if this is in the right forum or if this has been posted before,
but if the medium and short ranged aircraft are built where their manufacturing plants are such as Boeing 737s in Everett and Airbus A320s in Toulouse, how do they get them across the ocean so that jetblue has them or japan airlines...????
Travelling is not all about the destination. its about how you get from point A to point B and everything in between.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
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If an airplane lacks the range to be delivered to a destination, ferry tanks are used:
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
They just fly them.... there is no where on this planet that 95% of the aircraft ever built can't reach.......even small private aircraft. Ferry tanks, Island hopping.............etc
Rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4): They just fly them.... there is no where on this planet that 95% of the aircraft ever built can't reach.......even small private aircraft. Ferry tanks, Island hopping.............etc
That may be a little optimistic for some of the island destinations. While light aircraft have been flow, for example, to Hawaii with ferry tanks, it's still a really long grueling flight (on the order of 19 hours in a 172 - which has actually been done). And you probably get to start with an overweight takeoff. For most small aircraft it's much simpler (and cheaper) to just unbolt the wings and put the thing on a boat.
OTOH, to most places it's no problem. To cross the Atlantic you need only about 750nm range (and none of the overwater portions are more than 500nm).
BTW, how are the ferry tanks connected to the fuel system? Do they just fill up the main tanks during flight? And if so, is this done continously or at certain moments?
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
I can't see any one going to the expense of adding ferry tanks to an aircraft they are going to store/scrape. I know one North American operator that removed all the avionics and flew their aircraft to the desert VFR.
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15871 posts, RR: 66 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2149 times:
Quoting Phileet92 (Thread starter): Boeing 737s in Everett and Airbus A320s in Toulouse, how do they get them across the ocean so that jetblue has them or japan airlines...????
For those particular aircraft, range is not an issue. They can easily do the Atlantic with one stop if flown empty with full tanks. Of course, you can't do an ETOPS flight typically so the route is a bit longer. For the Pacific, they might need two stops, going the long way around Alaska and Japan.
Note that if an airliner has max payload you typically can't fill the tanks because you would exceed MTOW by a wide margin. This is another factor making ferry range dramatically more than service range.
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Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Quoting Rwessel (Reply 5): While light aircraft have been flow, for example, to Hawaii with ferry tanks, it's still a really long grueling flight (on the order of 19 hours in a 172 - which has actually been done).
Actually Cessna 172s and other light aircraft are flown from SFO to SYD via Hawaii and other Pacific Islands on a quite regular basis.
Quoting LockstockNL777 (Reply 6): BTW, how are the ferry tanks connected to the fuel system? Do they just fill up the main tanks during flight? And if so, is this done continously or at certain moments?
Depends on the aircraft type and ferry tank system fitted. I have seen a system on high wing Cessnas where the ferry tanks are plumbed into the regular fuel system near the tank selector on the forward cabin floor, so I would assume its direct to the engine in that case.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2028 times:
Quoting Rendezvous (Reply 10): If it's a delivery flight, does it still need to follow ETOPs?
Short answer - no.
Some what longer answer, the ferry flight occurs under what ever conditions the airworthiness authority of the aircrafts country of registration allows. So if your authority permits it, any rule can be by passed. Ferry flight often operate above normal MTOW, for example.
Phileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1949 times:
Island hopping was my first thought. Ferry tanks is new to me.
thanks for the feedback!
phileet92
Travelling is not all about the destination. its about how you get from point A to point B and everything in between.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1873 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): North Pac via Alaska Midway Japan
I believe many 737s being delivered to Japan and Asia are routed via HNL. You'll find numerous photos in the database of such aircraft at HNL on their delivery flights.
Abqwildcat From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
Just wanted to point out - B737s are built in Renton, WA at Boeing's narrow-body assembly plant, not at Everett in Boeing's wide-body assembly plant.
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