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190 Cargo Door Operation  
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22864 posts, RR: 20
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

I watched a US ramper have a really hard time getting the cargo door shut on a 190 last night... Eventually, he pulled the beltloader he was standing on away, reached into the cargo compartment, and retrieved some sort of pole with a hook which he used to grab onto the door and shut it. Is that pole standard equipment, or is it a US thing? And are the doors that hard to close, or was he just having trouble because he was (giving him the benefit of the doubt) new to working on the aircraft?


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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4924 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Yes, the pole is just beside the cargo door inside the cargo hold. One for each door.

If he was having trouble closing the door, it is because he did not unlock/unlatch the door from the open position. It sounds like he figured it out .... as you use the "pole" to do just that!  Smile



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

We call that the shepherd hook. It goes into an eye hole to twist and unlock the door, then pull it shut.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
We call that the shepherd hook

J...!!! We call that a 'Pimp Cain' Mack Daddy..!! Now do your Fat Man-Happy Dance

[Edited 2008-04-08 17:51:58]


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3482 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
J...!!! We call that a 'Pimp Cain' Mack Daddy..!! Now do your Fat Man-Happy Dance

HAHAHA!! I forgot about calling it the Pimp Cain!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

...and just for you I did the fat boy happy dance.  bouncy 



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Any pictures of said implement? It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320, they could've at least done a similar setup with the cargo doors (although, having to lay on one's back to open/close the door, a la the 320, would be awkward.)


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Any pictures of said implement?

It looks just like a walking cane....and about the same size too. When the door fully open a latch on the upper hinge helps hold the door open. To close the door you insert the cane hook into the latch and twist to unlock. Pull down until you can grab the handle, stow the cane.. close and lock the door.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
they could've at least done a similar setup with the cargo doors

Why over design it...? Its a simple system that works..........If you want to do some digging.. when jetBlue first got their E190, A.net member 'Candais'....( I think that right) posted some pictures of the Ramp Crew getting train on its use.

[Edited 2008-04-09 17:01:34]


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3393 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Why over design it...? Its a simple system that works..........If you want to do some digging.. when jetBlue first got their E190, A.net member 'Candais'....( I think that right) posted some pictures of the Ramp Crew getting train on its use.

The A320 door is definitely more complex as (IIRC) they are hydraulically driven which would require actuators and stuff which not only increases the complexity of the door system but adds weight and MX costs.



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User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3211 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320

Since we had to multiply all the A320 dimensions by 0.6, we ran out of engineering capability and had to use a simpler door. Sorry.

/sarcasm

More respect for other people's work is in order.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 8):
More respect for other people's work is in order.

Easy there. I never said it was a BAD design.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3174 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):

Easy there. I never said it was a BAD design

Don't worry too much...it's a Latecoere design......not EMB



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3127 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
It seems to me that if Embraer did a good enough job of shrinking the design of the A320

Not too much in common with the A320. The fuselage on the E190 is a double bubble design which is completely different than the A320.  wink 



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 11):
Not too much in common with the A320.

I know they are both clean-sheet designs. I was just playing on the running joke that everyone calls it a "Baby Bus."



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3115 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 1):
.

If he was having trouble closing the door, it is because he did not unlock/unlatch the door from the open position. It sounds like he figured it out .... as you use the "pole" to do just that!

Is this similiar to the B737 cargo door open position latch.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3100 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
I know they are both clean-sheet designs. I was just playing on the running joke that everyone calls it a "Baby Bus."

Ah, gotcha. I never heard it called that.



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