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Range-payload Charts For Widebodies?  
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Hello guys,

I come back with some more questions regarding range and payload.

I am basically trying to understand what sort of a/c could be used on certain routes. For that, I am wondering about standard-issue widebodies such as the 772ER and 333X.

Are there charts made available to the public where one could see how far these birds can fly with a full payload? Assuming they do take off at MTOW, if we fill up their tanks to the last drop, can they take on all passengers and luggage and freight (how much?)? And then how far will they go?

Thank you very much for any help.

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16994 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3203 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Assuming they do take off at MTOW, if we fill up their tanks to the last drop, can they take on all passengers and luggage and freight (how much?)?

Goodness no. If you fill the tanks on airliners, you would be restricted to half the maxi payload or less.

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Are there charts made available to the public where one could see how far these birds can fly with a full payload?

Range charts are available. Here are some "pretty" ones:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_rc_fgt_london.html; http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_rc_riodejaneiro.html; http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_rc_dubai.html; http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_rc_newyork.html

The PDFs are in the airport planning documents and provide more "geeky" formats:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf


It should be noted that range is very variable depending on winds on a particular day.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Thanks a lot, buddy.

I had already come across these graphs and they seemed quite optimistic to me. Judging by them, we could operate LHR-BKK with a 773 regular. Has any airline ever done that in scheduled service (i.e. with full pax and luggage load + freight)?

And I thought the 77L had failed to make SYD-LHR non-stop economically due to payload restrictions...

I have flown EK 405 a few times (MEL-SIN-DXB) with 773 regular and I was under the impression that these distances were its optimum economic/operational ceiling.

Thanks a lot anyway.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3181 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Are there charts made available to the public

Links to several ACAP documents from Airbus, containing payload/range charts, can be found in this thread:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/160168/


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3138 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 2):
Has any airline ever done that in scheduled service

I think Eva Air are the only ever operator of the 773 between LHR and BKK, and that's with a 773ER.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3476 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 2):
I had already come across these graphs and they seemed quite optimistic to me. Judging by them, we could operate LHR-BKK with a 773 regular.

But you'd be operating into the prevailing winds, increasing the equivalent still air distance and you've also got to throw in airways distances as opposed to great circle. And don't forget the effects of airframe/engine fuel mileage deterioration.

Payload-Range curves are for newly delivered airplanes and show still air ranges.

[Edited 2008-04-08 12:07:02]


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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3070 times:



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 5):
But you'd be operating into the prevailing winds, increasing the equivalent still air distance and you've also got to throw in airways distances as opposed to great circle. And don't forget the effects of airframe/engine fuel mileage deterioration.

That is my whole point. Of course if we send a 773A from FRA to BKK, we have to bring it back to FRA somehow.

So would it be doable?


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

The load/range chart suggests that the payload for a 773A FRA-BKK would be close to 100K lbs. Assuming an 8% increase in ESAD westbound, the payload would be reduced accordingly.
This assumes that the aircraft weighs, to quote Boeing parlance "weight for a baseline configuration for 451 passengers"


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Is there anywhere we can get the charts for Airbus planes?

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2914 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 8):
Is there anywhere we can get the charts for Airbus planes?

I use the following link and change the text at the end of the URL to the model I am looking for.
http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S...C/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A340-200-300.pdf


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2850 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 9):

Thanks!


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Guys, I've finally found the link for the Airbus documents:

http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S...cal_Data/html/800x600_AC_main.html

Enjoy!


A342



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