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Low Door On L-1011?  
User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2064 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 19 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Hi, everyone. Recently I checked out a book on the L-1011 from my library. In all the pictures of the starboard side, there appears to be a door just ahead of the wing root. What's up with that, and what is it for? Thanks for any info.


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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 19 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Tristars had a lower level galley. The lower level door swung up and in and was routinely used for galley service.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 18 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

The small door on the starboard (right) side of the L-1011, just forward of the wing root, is called the S-2 door, it provides access to the "mid electrical service center" (MESC) and opens inward. The S-2 door is in the fuselage under the fuselage to wing fairing, there is a hinged panel in the fairing that allows access to the door.

User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

On the -100 series the galley was a lower deck galley where all catering supplies are located. Its the galley service door. the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3623 times:



Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

I see the AFT one, but no the FWD one:


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3575 times:



Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
On the -100 series the galley was a lower deck galley where all catering supplies are located. Its the galley service door. the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

The galley door is further forward and higher on the side of the fuselage than the S-2 Door. The S-2 door is in the same location on both the -1 series and -500's. The main reason for the S-2 door is for access to the mid electrical service center and to allow for removal and replacement of the battery.

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This picture shows the location of the S-2 (pressure) door and the fairing door.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3562 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
This picture shows the location of the S-2 (pressure) door and the fairing door.

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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3530 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 4):


Quoting N587NK (Reply 3):
the -500 series had FWD and AFT galleys on the main deck.

I see the AFT one, but no the FWD one:

You won't find a galley service door on -500 series airplanes, as there arent' any...maindeck galleys are serviced from the maindeck, via the pax entry doors.
In addition, some long body TriStars don't have any galley service doors either, as some came equipped with no lower galleys.
BA -200's come to mind.

Customer option.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3503 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 7):
You won't find a galley service door on -500 series airplanes, as there arent' any...maindeck galleys are serviced from the maindeck, via the pax entry doors.

Correct!

Quoting 411A (Reply 7):
In addition, some long body TriStars don't have any galley service doors either, as some came equipped with no lower galleys.
BA -200's come to mind.

Not correct!

All long body L-1011's were delivered with below floor galleys, there were no options. BA had Lockheed develop a series of service bulletins (called the Sunset Three Mod) that removed the below floor galley and extended the forward cargo compartment into the area vacated by the below floor galley. New galleys were located in the main cabin. When this modification was accomplished the galley door was deactivated and skinned over. Below are two photos of the same aircraft, pre and post mod. These modifications were accomplished several years after delivery.


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Before modification, galley door is clearly visible.


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After modificaton door skinned over.


User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3500 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 8):
Not correct!

Opps, I stand corrected!

Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

I wonder if 474218 will agree with this?


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 9):
Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

I agree. But 400 seats required 10 abreast seating with 30" seat pitch, not really my idea of comfort.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3465 times:



Quoting 411A (Reply 9):
Now, regarding pax entry doors, some L1011 standard body airplanes were delivered with large rear entry doors, which were fully electrically operated, and allowed a max seating capacity of...400.

Yes all the BA L1011 had this option. Look at the picture in post 8. They were used when the aircraft was flown in a charter config from LGW by BAs Charter airline (called BA Airtours or Caledonian amongst other names). I think they had 398 seats.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3417 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 11):
Yes all the BA L1011 had this option. Look at the picture in post 8. They were used when the aircraft was flown in a charter config from LGW by BAs Charter airline (called BA Airtours or Caledonian amongst other names). I think they had 398 seats.

Court Lines (model 193K), British Airways (193N) and British Air Tours (293C) all had eight (8) type A doors. Total of 19 aircraft.

To sell aircraft in the 70's it was common for the manufactures to build aircraft in many different configurations. Another example of this is the Pan Am (193Y) and LTU (193J) -500's which do not have a C-3 cargo door.


User currently offlinePoint8six From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

BA 's charter subsidiary -British Airtours- had 393 seats: 16 hours from LGW to LAX via BGR. Cheap, but not my idea of fun!

User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

474218, as always a wealth of Tristar information. But,

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
do not have a C-3 cargo door.

what occupied the C3 cargo area? Extra LD3?


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3290 times:



Quoting ReidYYZ (Reply 14):
what occupied the C3 cargo area? Extra LD3?

The C-3 is for bulk cargo only. The Pan Am and LTU -500's had a removal panel in the C-2 aft bulkhead and they manually loaded the C-3 through the C-2 door. Since the panel was on the right hand side they they had access to the C-3 untill the last LD-3 was loaded in the C-2 compartment.

Thank you for the kind words, I spent over half my line working with the TriStar in many different capacities.


User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

WG had the ex-PSA machines, and to save money (on the cost of LD3 containers) the owner had the cargo loading equipment removed from the C2. The bags were hand-bombed in.
And up to the end in '90, the lower lounge still had the retro-bogie-dance-party wall paper. That was fun to see.

To have the C3 door was a great thing especially when the C2 door elex were out of service and you didn't want to fight the panels to hand crank from outside.


Regards,
Reid

Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
I spent over half my life working with the TriStar

your basement/garage/home office must be filled with all kinds of neat things.


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