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Landing A 777 At Ciampino In Rome

NightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

I started this topic in the Civil Section and got no response so I thought I would try here.

I was monitoring the Popes departure from JFK today and noticed his flight is landing at Ciampino instead of Fiumicino. I was not aware that airport could handle such a large aircraft. I know the plane is practically empty, but don't you think one would want a little more stopping distance, or is 2207 meters enough?

Airplanes are only as good as the people who fly&fix them.

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411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Having personally landed an L1011 there (three times at least), I wouldn't expect other heavies would have a particular problem, so long as the landing weight is within reason, and the wind is favorable for the active runway.

NightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting 411A (Reply 1):

Thanks for the input. One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?

Airplanes are only as good as the people who fly&fix them.

Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

411A,

The L-1011 and DC-10 despite their size, were designed to be able to operate out of 5,000 - 6,000 foot runways with full passenger loads, (not full overall weight) at least the L-1011-1, DC-10-10/DC-10-15 and probably the L-1011-200 could.

BTW: What kind of plane was the Pope flying on? Being that it operated out of Ciampino.

Andrea Kent

NightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

He was on a Alitalia 777-200

Airplanes are only as good as the people who fly&fix them.

Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1251 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting NightFlier (Reply 4):
He was on a Alitalia 777-200

The 772 has no issues land on that runway length. Thats what Air Europe PE did at SXM which is another 200 meters shorter after non-stop fully loaded flights (pax wise) from MXP. Even the 744 lands there fully loaded with pax.

Autobrakes 4 will give the necessary decelleration required for a safe stop on both flights.

Leo

Happiness is V1 in Lagos

Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15867 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting NightFlier (Reply 2):
One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?

I'm going to assume 411A felt perfectly safe because his landing distance calculations told him that there wasn't a problem. If nothing else, there's a 50% pad factor in the calculations.

As I understand it, landing on a "short" runway should be "challenging", not "dangerous". Wink

"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - from Citadel by John Ringo

NightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

OK if you all say so, thanks for the input

Peace
wave

Airplanes are only as good as the people who fly&fix them.

Blackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

I can't believe I asked what plane it was, and it was right in the thread-title!

Andrea Kent

411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting NightFlier (Reply 2):
Thanks for the input. One more question ? Did you feel safe landing such a large airplane their ?

No problem whatsoever.
However, takeoffs to the south (IIRC) are somewhat weight restricted, due to obstacles.

AAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Think of it this way, OGG is the shortest or 2nd Shortest T7 airport in the world or at least for UAL. And LIRA has about 1300 feet more of runway then OGG does.

Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

(It is for CX who flies A343s and 744s to FCO, for instance)

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...

Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 7721 posts, RR: 73
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

(It is for CX who flies A343s and 744s to FCO, for instance)

Correct

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Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1251 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):

Correct

If you dont mind Zeke,

I was wondering about your SYD diversions. Do you also take CBR like KE do, or is it BNE for you?

Thanks in advance!

leo Smile

Happiness is V1 in Lagos

Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 7721 posts, RR: 73
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 13):

Sent you a PM

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AAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 11):
I believe Ciampino is the normal alternate for many international carriers into FCO.

Yes, UAL pilots at least carry the ILS plates and the Airport diagram. I would assume others do as well but I only have knowledge of UAL.

NightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Quoting 411A (Reply 9):

This is because of the hills that are directly in front ?

Airplanes are only as good as the people who fly&fix them.

411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting NightFlier (Reply 16):
This is because of the hills that are directly in front ?

As I recall, yes.
Departues in the other direction, not generally a problem, if the wind is favorable.

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