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A380 Callsign- Heavy Or Super?  
User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1848 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17924 times:

I remember hearing a while back that the A380's callsign was going to be considered SUPER. Did this happen or is it still just HEAVY?

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User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17908 times:

It is a classed as "Super", but I have not heard super being used by any London ATC, whilst the A380 has been serving London.

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17881 times:

So obviously this mean even greater spacing behind a A380?

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17881 times:

When I was listening to ATC (Chicago & Cleveland centers) the Airbus A388 demonstrator was designated as Lufthansa #### "super"


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17745 times:

First arrival at JFK, 19 Mar 2007

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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17701 times:

Which call sign does SQ use?


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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17505 times:

Used the "super" designation on the visit to Hartford as well.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17489 times:

Visit to CVG was "Airbus 202 Super"


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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17475 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
Which call sign does SQ use?

SQ uses "Singapore" as their call sign. Here's a link to a list of call signs starting with "s":

http://atcmonitor.com/callsigns.html#s

Note that the call signs are on the left with the company name on the right.



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User currently offlineBAW217 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17447 times:



Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 5):
Which call sign does SQ use?

"Singapore xxx"

Its rare to hear the "Heavy" or "Super" tag, outside of North America, here in the UK, you may hear it a few times a day, but thats about it!

Cheers


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17435 times:



Quoting BAW217 (Reply 1):
It is a classed as "Super", but I have not heard super being used by any London ATC, whilst the A380 has been serving London.

The wake suffix is a peculiarity for the US. Most of the rest of the world, including NATS, do not suffix their callsigns. It does next to nothing and clogs up the R/T.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17376 times:

It's "super." Or, more correctly, "supaahhh."


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17302 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 4):
First arrival at JFK, 19 Mar 2007

Love that line: "LH8940 Super, just be advised that they'd LIKE you to taxi down 31L!"  rotfl   rotfl 



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17145 times:

That is odd that ATC would call it "super" since that term is not a standard aviation term. Heavy, large, and small are the only classifications of aircraft. No super.

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17056 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 13):
That is odd that ATC would call it "super" since that term is not a standard aviation term. Heavy, large, and small are the only classifications of aircraft. No super.

And you call yourself a future captain. Check you facts before you make firm statements next time.

The proper (ICAO) wake categories are Super, Heavy, Medium and Light. Some countries have different categorization like Super, Heavy, Upper Medium, Lower Medium, Small and Light for the UK. Your categorization only applies in the US. And the world is a little bit bigger than that.

[Edited 2008-04-30 11:51:05]


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17056 times:



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 13):
That is odd that ATC would call it "super" since that term is not a standard aviation term. Heavy, large, and small are the only classifications of aircraft. No super.

ATC classifications are based on the maximum gross takeoff weight of an aircraft, which is supposed to determine the strength of the wake turbulence it generates, which determines minimum separation criteria.

Until the A380, the largest minimum separation required was 4-8 minutes behind a heavy depending on aircraft type. The FAA decided that the A380 needed greater separation mins (6-10 minutes), and hence created a new category of airplane called "Super".



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16989 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
Your categorization only applies in the US. And the world is a little bit bigger than that.

I thought the above replies established that adding "heavy" or "super" to a callsign was more of a US issue than around the world. You yourself even wrote "Most of the rest of the world, including NATS, do not suffix their callsigns." So I wrote my response to the "super" suffix as taking this issue to be for the most part an American thing. In which the FAA AFAIK has not added a "super" category of aircraft.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
The FAA decided that the A380 needed greater separation mins (6-10 minutes), and hence created a new category of airplane called "Super".

Can you find a source detailing the FAA changing the categories and adding "super?" The word is used on A.net quite alot but I don't think officially the FAA has decided what to do when the plane starts flying here regularly.

I did find this...
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ons/at_notices/media/N7110.478.pdf

Interm procedures for the route proving flights and promotional flights. ATC was to use "super" in the callsign but this notice is coming to an end and we will have to see what happens. Maybe we will still be required to call it "super" in the US. Maybe it will just be "heavy." I don't think we know yet.


User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16953 times:



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
Until the A380, the largest minimum separation required was 4-8 minutes behind a heavy depending on aircraft type. The FAA decided that the A380 needed greater separation mins (6-10 minutes), and hence created a new category of airplane called "Super".

What about the AN-225, is that treated as "Super" or as a regular heavy?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16850 times:



Quoting BAW217 (Reply 1):
It is a classed as "Super", but I have not heard super being used by any London ATC, whilst the A380 has been serving London.

I though "Heavy" was only used in North America anyway.



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16810 times:

What weight do you have to mass in at MTOGW to have a Super rating?

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16762 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
It's "super." Or, more correctly, "supaahhh."

LOL, that was the first thing that came to my mind.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 10):
The wake suffix is a peculiarity for the US. Most of the rest of the world, including NATS, do not suffix their callsigns. It does next to nothing and clogs up the R/T.

You might want to reconsider that. The following is from a Nov 2007 revision to the ICAO PANS-ATM.
4.1 Regarding radiotelephony procedures for air-ground voice communication channel changeover,
when so prescribed by the appropriate ATS authority, the initial call to an ATC unit after a change of
air-ground voice communication channel shall contain the following elements:
» Designation of station being called;
» Call sign, and for aircraft in the heavy wake turbulence category, the word "Heavy";
» Level, including passing and cleared levels if not maintaining the cleared level;
» Speed, if assigned by ATC; and
» Additional elements, as required by the appropriate ATS authority
4.2 For aircraft being provided with aerodrome control service, the initial call to the aerodrome control
tower shall contain:
» Designation of station being called;
» Call sign, and for aircraft in the heavy wake turbulence category, the word "Heavy";
» Position; and
» Additional elements, as required by the appropriate ATS authority



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User currently offlineTwinOtter From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16601 times:



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 16):
Can you find a source detailing the FAA changing the categories and adding "super?" The word is used on A.net quite alot but I don't think officially the FAA has decided what to do when the plane starts flying here regularly.

The FAA issued a temporary procedure prior to the A380 promotional flights. It read in part:

The A380 is in the “Heavy” aircraft weight category. However, wake vortices generated by the A380 are more substantial than those of other aircraft in the Heavy wake turbulence category, thus requiring special designation (“Super”) and additional wake turbulence separation during certain segments of flight. The A380 may therefore identify itself as [call sign] “Super” in radio communications with air traffic control.

The notice identifier was N JO 7110.464 if you want to google it.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16591 times:



Quoting TwinOtter (Reply 21):
The notice identifier was N JO 7110.464 if you want to google it.

Yes, and I see it was a temporary procedure. That notice ended 1 year ago. AFAIK the FAA never created a new "super" category of aircraft so while the A380 may dictate extra spacing for other aircraft its callsign should simply be "heavy."


User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16589 times:

If I was an ATC controller I'd say..... "Singapore XXX Fatty, you are cleared for takeoff, after you loose some weight."  box 

User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

I thought the airliner that generated the worst wake turbulence was the MD-11?

25 PilotNTrng : 757 takes the title for worst wake
26 BWilliams : " target=_blank>http://mp3space.com/stream.php?id=49083 Thanks for posting this.. very interesting to hear the Whalejet coming in. On a humorous note
27 Jacobin777 : When the A380 came to SFO, it too had the callsign of "super"....
28 Zkpilot : I understand that the 748I will also take on the Super designation as it is larger than the 744 heavy.
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