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A320 Freighter Conversion  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Why is there no STC for the Freighter conversion of the A320 series.Any reason for a delay in this.
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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

I thought Airbus had some problems with the service life of the earlier versions (the ones ready for conversion) and that is why NW ended up scrapping some of their A320s before their DC-9s?

User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5980 times:



Quoting NorCal (Reply 1):
I thought Airbus had some problems with the service life of the earlier versions (the ones ready for conversion) and that is why NW ended up scrapping some of their A320s before their DC-9s?

The NW aircraft were leased. What happens to the aircraft is up to the leasing company, not the airline.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5974 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
Why is there no STC for the Freighter conversion of the A320 series.Any reason for a delay in this.

AFAIK the kit has almost finished design phase, and fist aircraft should be in service by 2010, the A321 P2F is also being worked on, from memory 20-30t payload range, around 4-5 million a conversion.

Quoting NorCal (Reply 1):
I thought Airbus had some problems with the service life of the earlier versions (the ones ready for conversion) and that is why NW ended up scrapping some of their A320s before their DC-9s?

More like A320s were worth more as parts than carrying out the required inspections, the DC9s are basically worthless as parts. Service life extensions of A320s are in progress, like Airbus did for the A300/A310.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Considering Boeing thought of the B737-700C after the B737-200C/B737-200QC.It was odd why Airbus never thought about the A320 family freighters earlier.I know the B737-200 freighters were a long time ago.But the NGs wern't.

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MEL



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5882 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Considering Boeing thought of the B737-700C after the B737-200C/B737-200QC.It was odd why Airbus never thought about the A320 family freighters earlier.I know the B737-200 freighters were a long time ago.But the NGs wern't.

No doubt the 700C uses much from the 200C.

The 737-200 is about 20 years older than the A320, that would be the main reason why that airframe saw freighter conversion first.

The first A320s have only been in service just over 20 years.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5826 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 5):
The first A320s have only been in service just over 20 years.

Exactly. 20yrs is a long time now for a freighter of that size to take on the competition.
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MEL



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5796 times:



Quoting NorCal (Reply 1):
I thought Airbus had some problems with the service life of the earlier versions

It's not really a problem with them, Airbus just used a (relatively) low design service life for the initial A320's. They did what they were designed and supposed to do. What they were designed to do was just different than a DC-9.

Tom.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5660 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 7):
just used a (relatively) low design service life for the initial A320's

How did they upgrade the service life of the later versions of A320s.what were the mods carried out.
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MEL



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5620 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Considering Boeing thought of the B737-700C

Practically no 737-700Cs have been ordered.

NS


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5610 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
AFAIK the kit has almost finished design phase,

Who is doing the design work, the OEM or an aftermarket company?

Tod


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

Airbus and EADS EFW are doing the design work for the A320 P2F program/

EADS EFW are the aftermarket company in this case, although I see no reason why the program couldn't be extended to other qualified organizations. Certainly a competing program could also be developed.

NS


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5563 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
Practically no 737-700Cs have been ordered.


I thought the US Navy had ordered seven C40A [B737-700C]
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MEL



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

7 is practically none.  Smile

We're talkin bout modern freighters here, and there aren't any 737-700Cs in that service right now.

Not even Alaska ordered them.

NS


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5480 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 7):
just used a (relatively) low design service life for the initial A320's

How did they upgrade the service life of the later versions of A320s.what were the mods carried out.

I'm not sure they moded anything...I think it just gone done by analysis. Damage tolerance is a tricky beast at best. You can do a much better job with 20 years of in-service data under your belt. Plus 20 years of improvement in NDT...

Tom.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

With numerous Freighter conversion on with older B732 & B733s.Its surprising why the B737-700C did not click.
As far as the A320 goes.after the A300/310 freighter conversion programmes,this will def be considered in time.

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MEL



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5439 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
As far as the A320 goes.after the A300/310 freighter conversion programmes,this will def be considered in time.

Flight Stuctures Inc, a division of B/E Aerospace did the engineering for the first A300 conversions and is still doing them but so far has chosen not to get into the A320 conversions so far.

Tod


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5422 times:



Quoting Tod (Reply 16):
Flight Stuctures Inc, a division of B/E Aerospace did the engineering for the first A300 conversions and is still doing them but so far has chosen not to get into the A320 conversions so far.

Whats their official reasoning for this decision.
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MEL



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User currently offlineA320211 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Apologies if this is a silly question - I dont pretend to be an expert at all. Would there be a demand for freighters of this size? I understand airfield limitations etc but I would have thought that with frieghters bigger would always be better? Economies of scale and all that.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17054 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4972 times:



Quoting A320211 (Reply 18):
Apologies if this is a silly question - I dont pretend to be an expert at all. Would there be a demand for freighters of this size? I understand airfield limitations etc but I would have thought that with frieghters bigger would always be better? Economies of scale and all that.

Yes, there is demand. There are plenty of smaller freighters. FedEx even has what I believe are Cessna Grand Caravans. Just as with self-loading cargo, not every route warrants a large aircraft.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4909 times:



Quoting A320211 (Reply 18):
Would there be a demand for freighters of this size?

Absolutely.

Quoting A320211 (Reply 18):
I understand airfield limitations etc but I would have thought that with frieghters bigger would always be better?

If you have to fly 10,000 lbs from A to B, any airplane that can fly more than 10,000 lbs is just wasting resources.

Tom.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4880 times:



Quoting A320211 (Reply 18):
Would there be a demand for freighters of this size

Out here the B737 freighter is doing well domestically.So no doubt that the A320 series would too.
regds
MEL



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