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User currently offlineLongitude From Russia, joined Nov 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Just read somewhere that there are some height limitations for pilots. Is it true? If yes, what are the upper and the lower limit then?

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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

CX require minimum 1.6m tall.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Longitude (Thread starter):
Just read somewhere that there are some height limitations for pilots. Is it true?

The US FAA has no such restrictions, but much smaller than average people may have to use adaptive controls to demonstrate pilotage of the aircraft to FAA standards  Smile On the flip side of the coin, I'm also sure really tall pilots ( >2.3 M? ) will be quite uncomfortable in small airplane cockpits.

Of course, the airlines are free to impose their own requirements on top of the law...



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
Of course, the airlines are free to impose their own requirements on top of the law...

If I remember correctly waaaay back in the 70s a female pilot applicant filed a discrimination lawsuit against Ozark because they said she had to be tall enough to go full travel on the rudder pedals and she couldn't.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
but much smaller than average people may have to use adaptive controls to demonstrate pilotage of the aircraft

Blocks on the rudder pedals?  Wink
I remember the USAF had minimum and maximum height requirements. In addition to short pilots having a problem reaching controls, if you are too tall, you could have a problem fitting under the canopy of a T-37 or T-38.



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 3):
If I remember correctly waaaay back in the 70s a female pilot applicant filed a discrimination lawsuit against Ozark because they said she had to be tall enough to go full travel on the rudder pedals and she couldn't.

She should learn from this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader

Did she win?

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
The US FAA

You make a valid point; Medicals will decide this too. I don't know the requirements for each type; mine is CASA but then I'm 1m81 so its not such an issue.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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At LH: 165cm to 196cm...

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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
Of course, the airlines are free to impose their own requirements on top of the law...

But if you make that same statement about flight attendants then you will get a slew of replies about how it doesn't matter how tall/short/fat they are.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
The US FAA has no such restrictions,

FAA doesn't but the USAF.

Mainly because of the limitations of ejection seat design.

But when you figure that after WWII most medical regs where based on military rules, it wouldn't surprise me to see a couple of countries might still hang onto this atiquated rule



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User currently offlineOzzy738 From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I remember I was worried when I was finishing school - back then BA had a height limitation of 6ft3in? As I recall - that's why I decided I was going to apply to Ansett Australia - then finished school in the same week they first ceased ops  Smile

At least they let you play with all the fun toys on the ramp when you are 6ft 4  Smile

Cheers
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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I am 6'3" and it is a little tight for me to make it into my seat in the RJ or the 1900 I used to fly. I have flown both with guys taller than me, and it was fun to watch them get into their seats, especially in the Beech! Strangely enough, getting out is easier!


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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

BTW: What's the USAF limitations?

Andrea Kent


User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 11):
BTW: What's the USAF limitations?

The limit depends on the type of plane being flown. Guys up to 6'6" have flown B52's.



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User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Okay, what's the USAF Height limitations for

-A T-38 Instructor Pilot
-An F-15 Eagle
-An FB-111 (Back when it flew)
-A C-141 Starlifter
-A C-5A Galaxy


Andrea Kent


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Blackbird (Reply 13):
Okay, what's the USAF Height limitations for

-A T-38 Instructor Pilot
-An F-15 Eagle
-An FB-111 (Back when it flew)
-A C-141 Starlifter
-A C-5A Galaxy


Andrea Kent

Check AFI 48-123 -A.430. Basically for a pilot it's 64-77 inches. Waivers are available but it depends on the aircraft. The catch 22 here is there are no waivers available for UPT. So if you meet the height requirement for UPT upon graduation you don't need a waiver.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

From http://www.afrotc.com/collegelife/flying/prereq.php

Pilot - Physical Requirements

* Normal color vision
* Distant vision – pilots, uncorrected to 20/50
* Near vision – pilots, uncorrected to 20/20
* Meet refraction, accommodation and astigmatism requirements
* Corrective eye surgery could be a disqualifier
* Have no history of hay fever, asthma or allergies after age 12
* Meet Air Force weight and physical conditioning requirements
* Have standing height of 64 to 77 inches and sitting height of 34 to 40 inches


There are no individual requirements listed for particular aircraft.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Moose135 (Reply 15):
There are no individual requirements listed for particular aircraft.

There seem to be some interesting physical limitations out there, though. The U-28A reportedly has a very strict pilot weight limit. I've seen a job listing for a U-28A pilot position stating a maximum allowable weight of 190lbs.

2H4

[Edited 2008-06-19 21:21:14]


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 16):
There seem to be some interesting physical limitations out there, though. The U-28A reportedly has a very strict pilot weight limit of 198 lbs

Al ejection seat equipped aircraft have similar minimum and maximum weights. 103-240 including all equipment. The T-38 is limited to 230.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 17):
Al ejection seat equipped aircraft have similar minimum and maximum weights. 103-240 including all equipment. The T-38 is limited to 230.

Sure, but the U-28A doesn't have ejection seats. Apparently, payload is a very precious commodity in that particular aircraft.

2H4



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User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):
At LH: 165cm to 196cm...

WILCO737 (MD11F)

Holy shit. I'm 196cm and have an interview with Lufthansa in August!

Toni



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User currently offlineBuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Even if you're above or below the limit in civil ops, many airlines will give you a chance in the simulator or a mock-up to see if you can hit the switches, or be in reach of the controls with a proper seating position. Remember, most of these restrictions are set by the company, and they can give exemptions based on the pilot in question.

User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Longitude (Thread starter):

I remember reading something about the pilot seats in the one of the Boeing or Airbus MM's once. IIRC, they stated that the seats were designed to accommodate something like the 95th percentile of heights. I think this makes the range something like 5'6"- 6'6" or 5'4"- 6'8".

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User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 15):
Have standing height of 64 to 77 inches and sitting height of 34 to 40 inches

ok... I very much believe this for C-5's, bombers, etc. Plenty of tall pilots out there that fly these planes. But I don't see many fighter pilots over six feet tall. How a 6'5" pilot can safely fly some of the fighters/trainers beats me. Depending on the aircraft, their knees could limit movement of the stick, block switches, etc.



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Here's a question that's vaguely related to the thread since it's about physiology - is there an upper limit to the vital statistics of a commercial pilot?

Is it safe to assume that they might be grounded for becoming overweight to such an extent that it affects their mobility? (I'm guessing they can if they fail a medical...)

On a slight tangent, I knew a girl who was not only barely 5'6", but was also generously endowed and could barely reach the odometer reset button in her car. Last time I saw her, she was going to start commercial training... Sadly she was a friend of an ex, so I never saw her again and don't know how she got on.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BooDog (Reply 22):
ok... I very much believe this for C-5's, bombers, etc. Plenty of tall pilots out there that fly these planes. But I don't see many fighter pilots over six feet tall. How a 6'5" pilot can safely fly some of the fighters/trainers beats me. Depending on the aircraft, their knees could limit movement of the stick, block switches, etc.

There was a famous NFL player (linebacker?) who was also an A-10 Warthog pilot in the Air National Guard. His name escapes me at the moment, but I believe he was also rather tall, like 6'7"...
Aaah, Chad Hennings of the Cowboys, behold the power of Google  Smile He was a defensive lineman, which meant he is a big dude...

[Edited 2008-06-20 10:40:56]


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25 Swiftski : If you fail the medical, you can't fly, even if the airline love you to bits.
26 BAe146QT : That's what I mean, Swiftski. I have no doubt that you would be grounded if you failed your medical, but what if you passed your medical despite (for
27 Swiftski : If you passed and then became overweight and unfit to fly before your next renewal (in the case of CASA, Annually for Class 1) then I don't know what
28 Blackbird : PhilSquares Okay so what's the height requirement for UPT? 64 to 77 inches?
29 Stratosphere : I really don't think there are any requirements for airlines..I know of a female who was a chief pilot for NWA and is a 747-400 captain and is 5 foot
30 PhilSquares : Yes, that is the height restriction for entry into UPT, for the Air Force.
31 Blackbird : Out of curiousity, how long have those height requirements been as such. Since the USAF came to be (1947), or the last 20-40 years? Andrea Kent
32 Longitude : Guys, thanks for information. However we didn't enlighten much about short people. I've decided to make this topic live again, as for me this is quite
33 Longitude : Sorry, just found out that 5' ft 2 in doesn't equal 156 sm. So, my true height is 156 sm.
34 CanadianNorth : I've seen quite a variety of sizes in our cockpits, so I'm sure the limitations for airliners are pretty reasonable. I'm not a pilot myself, but as ma
35 Rwessel : Out of curiosity, isn't the Russian version of “centi,” “санти”? Why “sm” instead of “cm”?
36 Longitude : Yes, you're definitely right. Just "cm" looked for me as "km" )
37 Longitude : Why then do they all have different requirements for same fleets? Some of the pilot guys I know say that even with 100 cm (Rwessel ) one can fly 777
38 Longitude : Somebody told me the Airbus seats had been designed to accomodate somewhat 90% of people in terms of height. Since then I am trying to find the height
39 Jetstar : I am 6’ 3” and getting in and out of the seats in the Lockheed JetStar required a little contortion act, especially to avoid hitting the pressuriz
40 Longitude : Jetstar, I didn't get the sense of this your sentence Are you saying you don't believe she could get a type rating with the problem she had with rever
41 Longitude : By the way, which type of aircraft did she fly? I used to fly Jetstar, but that was before my aviation life, so I don't know the type ...Was it A320?
42 Jetstar : It was not the airline Jetstar, but the 4 engine Lockheed JetStar corporate jet. I am not even suggesting she did anything improper to get her JetSta
43 Longitude : Ahh, ok, got it! Thanks for a detailed explanation on how the thrust reverser levers are operated on the JetStar, interesting to know. Yes, modern ai
44 Jetstar : This may apply to airlines and the military, but not to corporations who own their own aircraft, its up to them who they hire. Also I do not know of
45 Longitude : As far as I know there is no such a common regilation for airlines in the US or Europe, for example. It is their business whom they take. But they hav
46 Viscount724 : LX says they want pilot applicants to be from 160 cm to 198 cm (5 ft. 3 in. to 6 ft. 6 in.).
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