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B744F/BFC Upperdeck Use  
User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Hey there,

just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

Thanks  Smile

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3311 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Thread starter):
just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

IIRC, the on the conversion the upper deck is from the aft of the upper deck doors forward. The upper deck is used for any freight, either bulk or parcel.


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1758 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3152 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Thread starter):
just saw the "new" Kalitta 747 Freighter, which is a converted ex-Malaysia aircraft.
Of course, as ex-pax airplane, it has its normal length 747 upperdeck and i wonder what it is used for? Parcels? Bulk freight?

If the conversion was done by Boeing then the u/d floor ends aft of the doors. The forward portion will have a lav, a galley and overhead stow bins. It can also include seats and/or bunks depending on the customer configuration.

Tod


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17300 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineWN700Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Yet another plane I would love to see a Mike Badroke drawing of.

User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Thanks guys for the answers  Smile

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1758 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2928 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.

Once you get past the upper deck floor beams your got more headroom all the way back.

Tod


User currently onlineFlyer732 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1379 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Actually, I've never seen any cargo go upstairs on our 744CF. We have 12 lie flat seats, a galley, a lav and a bunk area with two beds. The area right behind the exit doors upstairs is empty. The flooring has been removed and there is a door there. At the top of the ladder to the upper deck, there is a door that acts as the smoke barrier that prevents fumes and smoke from entering from the main deck should there be a fire or leak of any hazmat.

Hope that helps...


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2766 times:



Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 7):
We have 12 lie flat seats, a galley, a lav and a bunk area with two beds

Thanks, but why so many lie flats?
Are the freighters flying so long rotations to be in need of so many rest area?


User currently onlineFlyer732 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1379 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

It is a former MH aircraft, and to put in different seats would have required a recertification of the aircraft with new seats...whereas if we just left the MH seats on it, no new certificate was needed. How they came to the number that we have, I don't know...

However, I can say that on some of the flights I've seen 4 pilots in the cockpit, 2 mechanics, one loadmaster and two other pilots in the cabin, so the seats are being used.
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Theres a shot of what the cabin looks like.


User currently offlineXerses From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

forgive my ignorance, but what does "B744F/BFC " refer to? a Boeing 747-444? What's BFC? Is there a list somewhere that gives all these terms?

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12710 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2719 times:



Quoting Xerses (Reply 10):
forgive my ignorance, but what does "B744F/BFC " refer to? a Boeing 747-444? What's BFC? Is there a list somewhere that gives all these terms?

A 747-400F is a 747 built as a freighter by Boeing. A 747-400BCF is a "Boeing Converted Freighter". It began life as a 747-400 passenger aircraft and then was converted to a freighter using Boeing modifications.

A reasonable overview is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400

Tom.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6083 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2539 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
So basically you can stack higher under the back of the hump.

No, you can't.
The flight control cables travel through the upper deck floor, and are not repositioned. The aft half of the upper deck cabin isn't furnished with anything, to save the weight.

JAL's 744-BCF aircraft have 12 business class seats upstairs, and a galley just aft of the exit doors. aft of that is just a wall, with blowout doors.

But you don't get any more headroom.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1318 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2516 times:



Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 9):
It is a former MH aircraft, and to put in different seats would have required a recertification of the aircraft with new seats...whereas if we just left the MH seats on it, no new certificate was needed. How they came to the number that we have, I don't know...

However, I can say that on some of the flights I've seen 4 pilots in the cockpit, 2 mechanics, one loadmaster and two other pilots in the cabin, so the seats are being used.


Theres a shot of what the cabin looks like.

Man you guys are really lucky that you got to keep those new MH Business class seats!

Other 74F operators are not as lucky  Silly

Is the AVOD still powered during flight?

Leo  Smile



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
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Quoting Xerses (Reply 10):
a Boeing 747-444?

The first 4 (444) refers to the specific series - in this case the 747-400. The last two 4's is the designated customer code, which was introduced by Boeing in order to identify the first owner of the plane. In this case 44 = South African Airways.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17300 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2365 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
But you don't get any more headroom.

I see. Thanks.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently onlineFlyer732 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1379 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2317 times:



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 13):
Is the AVOD still powered during flight?

The TV's are still there, but they do not work. The system was taken out during the conversion. So its just like any other freighter in our fleet, except the seats are much nicer, and there is loads more room.


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