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Largest Cockpit Window On A Jet?  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4366 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17586 times:

I recently watched a TV show about the Orbis DC-10 and was amazed how big the windows were right behind the pilots.
Is there anything bigger then these windows? Thanks.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17602 times:
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The DC10 windows are pretty big yeah, same with the MD11 ones. I feel like sitting in a wintergarten there Big grin

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4366 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17578 times:

Some of the shots were amazing on the show. One of the pax was visiting the cockpit, and it was as if she was in a helicopter, looking out the glass, taking pictures.
You are a lucky man Wilco.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17565 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
Some of the shots were amazing on the show. One of the pax was visiting the cockpit, and it was as if she was in a helicopter, looking out the glass, taking pictures.
You are a lucky man Wilco.



Yeah, you have an amazing view from there, loads of sunshine find their way in there as well. The whole cockpit is pretty big on the MD11 as well. 4 people can sit there easily and 2 more still have space to stand in there... Big grin
I can't complain....  Wink

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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17443 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3):
Yeah, you have an amazing view from there, loads of sunshine find their way in there as well. The whole cockpit is pretty big on the MD11 as well. 4 people can sit there easily and 2 more still have space to stand in there...


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17407 times:
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Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 4):

Thanks for that link, but we have another seat behind the captin. So 4 full seats  Wink

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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17329 times:



Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 4):
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That does look big. Does anyone happen to know what the little CRT screen is on the top right? It has 2 red buttons next to it.

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17289 times:



Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I recently watched a TV show about the Orbis DC-10 and was amazed how big the windows were right behind the pilots.
Is there anything bigger then these windows? Thanks.

I jumpseated MIA-LGW-MIA on a DC-10 and that window seemed about as huge as a picture window in a home...  Wink

I got some GREAT shots from the trip. I always sort of wondered of the 10's window compared size-wise with an L1011, a type I managed never to get a ride on. Anyone know?


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17134 times:

I wonder what goes into the actual designs into these windows? The C-17 also has the same windows as the DC-10 MD-11.

When I sat in the 73NG cockpit I thought those windows were big, I can only imagine how big they really are if your in the C-17 or MD-11!



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17037 times:
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Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):

When I sat in the 73NG cockpit I thought those windows were big, I can only imagine how big they really are if your in the C-17 or MD-11!

The 737 windows are tiny compared to the MD11 ones.... They are just huge  Wink

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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17018 times:

Whilst perhaps not as big as the DC-10 windows I seem to remember the VC-10 had large side windows, and a large flight deck with 5 seats, plus a toilet for the flight deck crew.

It was nice and comfy, but with those large windows it was always hard to avoid the glare of the sun at dawn  covereyes 

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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17006 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I wonder what goes into the actual designs into these windows?

One thing to consider: Imagine the view across the cockpit, from left seat out the right side windows or vice-versa. Those oversize windows really enhance that. It may be overkill sitting right next to it, but get back six feet and you will appreciate it. And it is permissible to fly them for limited periods with but one pilot in his seat. (potty breaks etc.)



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2816 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16970 times:

I don't know which is the absolutely largest by area, but of the aircraft I have flown, the L-1011 definitely had the best visibility, and, I believe, the biggest windows. You just couldn't beat the view!

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16943 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 12):
You just couldn't beat the view!

I know that when I sat on a taxiway in a lesser airplane and realized that I could see the pilots' forearms resting on the armrests they were really surrounded by glass. Flying the sunporch, as it were.

Never even rode on an L1011 and on the DC-10 I've only ridden in the cockpit jumpseat. Though the seat is not the greatest, the view was wonderful.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16886 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 12):
I don't know which is the absolutely largest by area, but of the aircraft I have flown, the L-1011 definitely had the best visibility, and, I believe, the biggest windows. You just couldn't beat the view!

The great view was courtesy of the curved windshields.

When you sit in the first observers seat the bottom of the seat is almost even with the bottom of the side window, so the view out the port side is like no other. Additionally you have an un-obstructed view over the captains left shoulder.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16976 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16829 times:



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
One thing to consider: Imagine the view across the cockpit, from left seat out the right side windows or vice-versa. Those oversize windows really enhance that. It may be overkill sitting right next to it, but get back six feet and you will appreciate it. And it is permissible to fly them for limited periods with but one pilot in his seat. (potty breaks etc.)

An interesting phenomenon, distance from window. It's also one of the main reasons that the Apollo Lunar Module was built to have the astronauts standing up. That way they could have their faces much closer to the window, allowing smaller and much lighter windows while retaining an acceptable field of view.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16720 times:

How reliable are these windows on this type in terms of cracking/overheating.
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MEL



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16697 times:

I guess to have a better view while hooking up to a tanker..



User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16621 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I wonder what goes into the actual designs into these windows? The C-17 also has the same windows as the DC-10 MD-11.

Really, did not know that. You learn something new every day !!!!



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1636 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16327 times:
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Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
I wonder what goes into the actual designs into these windows? The C-17 also has the same windows as the DC-10 MD-11.

The reason for this is the C-17 uses the basic DC-10/MD-11 nose section, they modified it and added the lower side windows


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16251 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 12):
I don't know which is the absolutely largest by area, but of the aircraft I have flown, the L-1011 definitely had the best visibility, and, I believe, the biggest windows. You just couldn't beat the view!

It's too bad passenger windows on the L1011 had the opposite problem. I always found the L1011 the most awkward widebody to see out of with rather small windows and mounted slightly too high in relation to the seats. DC-10 and MD-11 have much larger passenger windows, and 747 windows also seeme slightly larger than the L1011.

In terms of total cockpit window area on a commercial aircraft (not just jets) it must be hard to beat the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser with it's 19 window panes.



User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16189 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
In terms of total cockpit window area on a commercial aircraft (not just jets) it must be hard to beat the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser with it's 19 window panes.

So how many sets of Newspapers do the crew carry on board  Smile

On a serios note....anyone aware of the frequency of replacement for those Windows & whats the window heating sequence on them on this type?

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MEL.



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1636 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16115 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
So how many sets of Newspapers do the crew carry on board

On a serios note....anyone aware of the frequency of replacement for those Windows & whats the window heating sequence on them on this type?

If I remember correctly from my days of working on the KC/C-97, which the B-377 is derived from, the inboard engines had 2 generators each and each outboard engine had a generator and an alternator, the alternators were primarily used for windshield heat. I believe they were all heated at once with a high and low setting.

The windshields were not that hard to replace, in most windshield changes, getting access to the mounting screws is the most difficult part, especially if a lot of interior trim and panels have to be removed like on the JetStar. I was an engine mechanic, but I don’t remember seeing a lot of windshield being changed in my 3 years on the KC/C-97 but again the military does not fly the hours an airline puts on their airplanes

Maps, magazines and newspapers did make great sunshades, especially when flying transoceanic. I remember flying some domestic trips as an ACM (additional crew member) where the pilots asked us to sit next to the windows and look out for traffic during take off and landings. The cockpit was so big that there was an aisle on the sides between the pilots and the windshields so I would sit or rather knell there and acted as another set of eyes.

The view was awesome, it was like sitting in a greenhouse, on one flight we landed at McDill Air Force Base in Tampa FL, in those days McDill’s runway was 500 feet wide, going back to the days when McDilll hosted B-47’s and the runway was that wide to allow for 2 B-47’s to take off at once, it was like landing on a wide open desert area.
Today when I fly commercially into Tampa, when we land to the north and make a base turn over McDill, I can still see the outline of the original runway, which has been narrowed down to a standard width.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16066 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
So how many sets of Newspapers do the crew carry on board

 rotfl  Good one.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4383 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks ago) and read 16008 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
So how many sets of Newspapers do the crew carry on board

Best sun protection was/is the non-slip liners FAs use for dinner trays.

Witness this pic :

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See the whole upper body of the person in the observer seat, from mid-thigh to well over the head.



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25 CosmicCruiser : Yeah, but look at his position relative to the capt. His seat has to be raised to max height. Wouldn't you agree?
26 Pihero : IIRC, that seat was fixed and it's higher than the Captain's seat,. which seems to be right at the eye-ref level.
27 Post contains links and images 474218 : Correct both observer seats are fixed. Here are a couple more examples of Captins using the eye-ref.: View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Markman
28 CosmicCruiser : More than likely so that a check airman can see over the shoulder of the capt to see the flt inst.
29 HAWK21M : Was the Installation on the frame from Inside or outside the Aircraft? regds MEL.
30 3MilesToWRO : Somehow different category, but navigator's windows on Tu-134 (and similar) are also not bad
31 Post contains links and images SQ325 : View Large View MediumPhoto © MA Sanchez This is a "Wintergarten"[Edited 2008-06-30 02:57:40]
32 CosmicCruiser : If you're going to consider largest NUMBER of windows don't forget the Boeing B-29 but the post sid LARGEST window in a jet.
33 Post contains links and images Jetstar : On the C-97 it looks like from this photo that the windshield was removed from the inside, because there is no trim around the window frames it looks
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