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US Airways East And West Pilot Question  
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2325 posts, RR: 21
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

Hey Guys:

Ever since the merger I am curious as to if the former America West Pilots fly the US Airways East equipment?

For example :

Can the pilot of this US West A319:


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bid for a trip or fly the A321?


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Sorry if its a bit hard to understand, I cant really find the right way to explain this.


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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

I highly doubt it.

There is a virtual war going on between the USAir East and USAir west pilot unions, so I highly doubt there would be any equipment mixing...



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

No. West pilots fly former West aircraft, East pilots fly former East planes. Thus, no pilot coming from the HP side can fly the A321 (or the former East A319/A320s), nor can the former HP 737 pilots fly the 737-400 or the former East 737-300s. Since they're on two separate contracts, they still fly the planes that were flown when the contracts were negotiated.

User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Also still on separate operating certificates.

User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5949 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
No. West pilots fly former West aircraft, East pilots fly former East planes. Thus, no pilot coming from the HP side can fly the A321

The West will be receiving a few of the new A321s coming online in the next few months. But they will be West birds and not open to East pilots untill a merged contract/certificate. I don't recall how many but I'll look it up at work.



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5939 times:



Quoting DashTrash (Reply 3):
Also still on separate operating certificates.

Not anymore, all flights have been on the US certificate since Sept of last year. It's just the union contracts (pilots and others) that are holding back a full integration.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5929 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 5):
Not anymore, all flights have been on the US certificate since Sept of last year. It's just the union contracts (pilots and others) that are holding back a full integration.

If on the same ops cert, then why are there to separate ATC call sign still in place, CACTUS and US AIR? Help me understand that one!



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5928 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
If on the same ops cert, then why are there to separate ATC call sign still in place, CACTUS and US AIR? Help me understand that one!

Because the pilots choose to do it, they have not officially chosen a callsign for the combined airline yet. So each group uses their own callsign for their own flights. ATC knows this and deals with it, just like everyone else.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5915 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 5):
Not anymore, all flights have been on the US certificate since Sept of last year. It's just the union contracts (pilots and others) that are holding back a full integration.

And hell'll freeze over before the west pilots will join the USAPA; not gonna happen.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5904 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 7):
Because the pilots choose to do it, they have not officially chosen a callsign for the combined airline yet. So each group uses their own callsign for their own flights. ATC knows this and deals with it, just like everyone else.

Ahhh, so the pilot's are able to select their callsigns?  Wow!

Funny thing, on a RADAR display, unless a color display, AWE and USA look almost the same!!!  Silly



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5833 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 5):
Not anymore, all flights have been on the US certificate since Sept of last year. It's just the union contracts (pilots and others) that are holding back a full integration.

Nope. They're still on separate operating certificates. Procedures we re-written at both companies to mirror one another, but the operating certificates are still separate.

Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 7):
Because the pilots choose to do it, they have not officially chosen a callsign for the combined airline yet. So each group uses their own callsign for their own flights. ATC knows this and deals with it, just like everyone else

Pilots can't choose their own call sign. Those are applied for and approved through the FAA and ICAO. The FAA controls domestic use, ICAO governs international use. Hence the reason some operators use a company call sign during domestic ops, and switch to using the registration as a call sign during international ops.


User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5814 times:



Quoting DashTrash (Reply 10):
Nope. They're still on separate operating certificates. Procedures we re-written at both companies to mirror one another, but the operating certificates are still separate.

Nope they are on one:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...m0CWU/is_2007_Sept_27/ai_n27389763


User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5193 times:

I dont know if there will ever be peace between the two. I work with the east pilots in the ramp of us airways at LGA. West is like Blashemy even to mention or its like Cursing in a Junior high school on Parent Teacher night LOL. I wish they would get along. I as a student pilot have flown non rev on the West side, and flew East back out on a recent trip to California. I even heard a west Pilot gave a East A321 captain the finger at LAX once.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5178 times:

Does anybody know why the US flights on Flightaware now show up as America West flights?
I noticed this change about a month ago.

ex:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE1042
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE1248
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE1286



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5178 times:



Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Reply 12):
I even heard a west Pilot gave a East A321 captain the finger at LAX once.

I'm pretty sure there has been much worse than just a middle finger. Since you likely only hear East perspective, I suggest you go to youtube and type in "can't take the heat USAPA". Watch all of them and you will understand the other side of this conflict.



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User currently offlineJETBLUEATASW From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5172 times:

71ZULU, its because as of september 1st, all our planes are now CACTUS. even in LGA, we hear stuff like "CACTUS 1489, WIND 040 AT 8, RUNWAY 4 CLEAR FOR TAKEOFF"


NO MORE US.

C-A-C-T-U-S

CANT ALLOW CHILDREN TO UNDERMINE SENORITY



"DO ME A FAVOR WOULD YA, THE NEXT TIME U LAND A PLANE ON MY STRIP, BONE UP ON YOUR MORSE CODE"-Tom Berenger
User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5120 times:



Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Reply 15):
C-A-C-T-U-S

CANT ALLOW CHILDREN TO UNDERMINE SENORIT

That's a huge line of bullshit... I've never met a more childish and self serving group of people than when I had dealings with the old AAA MEC. What comes around, goes around....


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4988 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 13):
Does anybody know why the US flights on Flightaware now show up as America West flights?
I noticed this change about a month ago.

East and West are now under the same certificate, as mentioned, and the company has chosen it's callsign, which is Cactus, and using the West, or AWE ICAO code. Basically, the company appears as one entity, but the internal workings still show clearly that it is two entities. So, you see a US plane flying, it looks like it is US Air, but it may be flown by West Crew, and the next plane you see looks the exact same, but flown by East crew. I'm sure dispatch and crew scheduling offices at US have a pretty tough job.

Quoting JETBLUEATASW (Reply 15):
NO MORE US.

C-A-C-T-U-S

CANT ALLOW CHILDREN TO UNDERMINE SENORITY

I completely understand company pride, but that does not help the merger any, the only way for the merger to be a success is if both East and West back down from calling each other names, and try to work together, or the hatred among both parties will destroy the company from the inside. And then for sure, you can say NO MORE US, as US would be a distant memory.



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