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So If I Booted Our Football...  
User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Well folks this is kind of a random idea, but here it goes. Now that it's summer down here in Vancouver (meaning too much rain has been replaced by too much heat), every day at lunch we go outside and play. Lately a member of our class has started bringing a football and we do our thing with it out on the grass behind the school, and for anyone who doesn't know the BCIT Aerospace campus, it's basically located right across the road from the end of one of YVR's main runways. Therefore when we are outside we often have aircraft on final approach right beside us (if I had to guess I'd say were probably about ~1 km ish give or take from the touchdown area), and see pretty much everything from Cessnas to Dash 8s to 737s, right up to A340s and the occasional 747.

So here is the question for yall to ponder... If I was to take the ball, give it a good kick, and it was to magically do a miracle and a half and go up enough to hit one of these low flying aircraft, what would it theoretically do?


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User currently offlineVTBDflyer From Thailand, joined Aug 2006, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

I'd suspect nothing more than a shredded football...
That would be quite a feat, kicking that high.

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User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

I could kick it that high.
I've also kinda thought of it before as one of the ballparks i umpire is just a few hundred yards of the threshold of 31 at YYJ. i've seen some pop flies go pretty high, nothing in the danger zone, but what if one of the 15 year olds was on steriods...


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4853 times:
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I've had a similar thought. One can conceivably kick a ball and hit one of the planes on approach into LGA, from Planeview Park.

Assuming it hits the fuselage:

My guess is the ball would fly off into the GCP and the plane would barely react as the pilots might think the thud were a tiny gust of air.



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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4852 times:


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4844 times:
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So long as both you and the aircraft were on the same conveyor belt, the ball would never even touch the aircraft.

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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4822 times:



Quoting CanadianNorth (Thread starter):
If I was to take the ball, give it a good kick, and it was to magically do a miracle and a half and go up enough to hit one of these low flying aircraft, what would it theoretically do?

Bounce off. Or get turned into shredded football bits. Either way, your football is probably lighter and more fragile than a bird, and the airplane can take that. Maybe some dents if you got really luck and pegged the leading edge.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
So long as both you and the aircraft were on the same conveyor belt, the ball would never even touch the aircraft.

Bad 2H4!

Tom.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4809 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
So long as both you and the aircraft were on the same conveyor belt, the ball would never even touch the aircraft.

2H4

But that theory doesn't take into account the effects of the giant fan at the end of the runway  Wink

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4763 times:



Quoting CanadianNorth (Thread starter):
what would it theoretically do

Firstly your Aim would need to be excellent & if it is,then you'd probably be playing for the national side  Smile
Most likely the Football would be knocked away or burst depending on the place & direction of impact.
The Flt crew would probably not know.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4550 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Firstly your Aim would need to be excellent & if it is,then you'd probably be playing for the national side
Most likely the Football would be knocked away or burst depending on the place & direction of impact.
The Flt crew would probably not know.

Hmmm....what if you hit the radome:


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User currently offlineSlimShady From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4487 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
Bounce off. Or get turned into shredded football bits. Either way, your football is probably lighter and more fragile than a bird, and the airplane can take that

rubbish.

Your football would do immense damage to the aircraft. I mean, look at at your typical seagull or duck. Your football is much tougher than a bird.. Those waterfowl are much more fragile than a football, and yet they trash engines, damage radomes, crack windshields, dent leading edges, dent or puncture the lipskin of the nose cowl, bend fan blades etc... Dont underestimate the damage even a 2 pound bird can produce.

Tell you what.... if you really want to know the answer, drive your car 100 mph and have a buddy throw your football into the grill of your car or windshield while you are driving... see how much damage occurs...


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4450 times:



Quoting SlimShady (Reply 10):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 6):
Bounce off. Or get turned into shredded football bits. Either way, your football is probably lighter and more fragile than a bird, and the airplane can take that

rubbish.

Your football would do immense damage to the aircraft. I mean, look at at your typical seagull or duck. Your football is much tougher than a bird.. Those waterfowl are much more fragile than a football, and yet they trash engines, damage radomes, crack windshields, dent leading edges, dent or puncture the lipskin of the nose cowl, bend fan blades etc...

"Fragile" perhaps wasn't the best word to choose. "Less desnse" would certainly be accurate. I also have trouble with the idea of it being "immense damage". Airplanes hit birds on a pretty regular basis. It's messy, but certainly doesn't rise to the level of "immense" damage.

Tom.


User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

I don't want to quibble but I'd be interested in the definition of immense damage.

Two ducks struck the left side of an MD80 departing CLE in 1996. One penetrated the radome and pressure bulkhead showering the captain with gore and jamming the NWS mechanism. The other forced the left door off its seal at the rear as well as popping one of the windows out of the frame and taking out the left engine.

One hawk was hit by a TWA 717 out of STL in 2001. Most of it came to rest in the captain's lap after cleaning off the left side of the radome, knocking the #3 ADIRU mount off the rack and pushing the #1 DU out of the frame.

Two incidents resulting in IFE calls at relatively low airspeed and altitude resulting in hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage.

I'd hesitate to classify that as minor.

I have to go with the "immense" estimate for a football strike hitting the "right" part of an aircraft.
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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4433 times:



Quoting SlimShady (Reply 10):
Tell you what.... if you really want to know the answer, drive your car 100 mph and have a buddy throw your football into the grill of your car or windshield while you are driving... see how much damage occurs...

Well I was thinking more of a side hit than a front end job, but as long as it was someone else's car, that does sound like a fun little experiment  Wink

So here was the theory us future AMEs determined on the bus in this morning
- If the ball goes somewhat near and fwd of the engine, it would be sucked in and shredded
- If the ball goes aft of the engine, it would be blown away
- If the ball goes elsewhere, it would probably either get blown away and/or bounce off with a thud and possibly a slight dent, but nothing "immense'.


CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4432 times:



Quoting CanadianNorth (Thread starter):
football and we do our thing with it out on the grass behind the school,

I don't even want to know!

Depending where the ball it, it would probably leave a dent in the slat or the nose. And you would probably be banned from that area along with everyone else.

Quoting SlimShady (Reply 10):
Your football would do immense damage to the aircraft.

Define "immense" damage.



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

If you actually hit the plane, just tear off your shirt, slide on you knees looking skyward, and yell "Gol Gol Gol Gol" repeatedly.

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4381 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):

Hmmm....what if you hit the radome:

The unofficial post of the month. Great job! Big grin

Quoting SlimShady (Reply 10):
Tell you what.... if you really want to know the answer, drive your car 100 mph and have a buddy throw your football into the grill of your car or windshield while you are driving... see how much damage occurs...

You are probably right to a degree.

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 15):
If you actually hit the plane, just tear off your shirt, slide on you knees looking skyward, and yell "Gol Gol Gol Gol" repeatedly.

If you ever see planes land at LGA, from Planeview, it's certainly tempting!



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

If you hit the radome it would look something like this


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6398 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4366 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 16):
The unofficial post of the month. Great job!

Hehehe...wonder if Wilco737 was the first officer on that flight  Wink



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User currently offlineBuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

We got hit by a soccer ball the other day while on approach. I banked the aircraft, used my starboard wing to strike the ball back. It took a deflection on the way down, but I scored anyway. All in a day's work.

Quoting SlimShady (Reply 10):
Your football would do immense damage to the aircraft. I mean, look at at your typical seagull or duck. Your football is much tougher than a bird.. Those waterfowl are much more fragile than a football, and yet they trash engines, damage radomes, crack windshields, dent leading edges, dent or puncture the lipskin of the nose cowl, bend fan blades etc... Dont underestimate the damage even a 2 pound bird can produce.

If the ball was ingested by the engines, I can see damage being done, yes. But I don't think it would do significant damage to an airframe on typical final approach speeds (departures are a different story). I've had quite a few birdstrikes, with no damage to the aircraft whatsoever. It'd have to be a heavy bird to leave a dent, a much heavier (and denser) one than the reference football in discussion at this moment, IMO.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

I guess the Answer will depend on what angle the Football strikes the Aircraft.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Well with you saying you're at BCIT, i'm assuming your using the proper CFL football, which is much bigger than the silly NFL footballs, so probably a little more damage.

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4320 times:



Quoting BuckFifty (Reply 19):
We got hit by a soccer ball the other day while on approach. I banked the aircraft, used my starboard wing to strike the ball back. It took a deflection on the way down, but I scored anyway. All in a day's work.

You neglected to mention that your airspeed put you offsides and the goal was waved off. Nice try....... Wink

Quoting Bartonsayswhat (Reply 21):
Well with you saying you're at BCIT, i'm assuming your using the proper CFL football, which is much bigger than the silly NFL footballs, so probably a little more damage.

And those silly CFL footballs are shaped slightly differently than those properly shaped FIFA footballs......again....nice try... Wink


User currently offlineVoltage From United States of America, joined May 2007, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

There's a 9-hole golf course just off airport property at STL. When the planes are landing from the west, final approach is right over the course. A couple times on one of the par 3s it felt like my ball must have come awfully close to hitting it.

User currently offlineGRZ-AIR From Austria, joined Apr 2001, 574 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

It could cause an engine or control surface failure and result in a plane crash.

J.



When I joined A.net it was still free, haha ;).
25 Tdscanuck : If the failure of a single engine or control surface could cause a crash, the plane would be unairworthy by definition (at least under current FAR's/
26 Post contains images Wingscrubber : Hey! So it was you that dented that 757!
27 Mirrodie : In an effort to place this thread on target, are there any reports of this having happened to aircraft in the past?
28 HAWK21M : Remember in the days of Aviation Maintenance college.We used to play cricket & football in the lunch breaks outside the Hangar & there were occassions
29 CanadianNorth : Sounds like fun, but luckily for us our ramp is located on the other side of the building, but we do play in an area thats got prickly bushes and a r
30 Fbgdavidson : Immense damage? If the OP had even superhuman kicking power the ball would be towards the top of its arc when it hit the aircraft with very little en
31 Blackbird : Uh keep in mind here, a football, unlike a bird doesn't have BONES in it... Andrea Kent
32 GST : The energy the ball carries into the collision is minor compared to that of the aircraft. Say there is an aircraft flying at approach speed, and you
33 Boeing767mech : FBI: Pro soccer players help subdue man on flight you could kick in flight......... Just being stupid, now back to your regularly schedule programming
34 Bartonsayswhat : i hate to bring up dead topics, but i watched a video of a KLM at SXM pretty much taking down the fence, and i'm pretty confident that i could kick a
35 Starlionblue : Indeed you could. St. Bart's too, in which case it could hit a prop blade.
36 Bartonsayswhat : right, wasn't somone hit and killed by a twotter at st. barts last year? i think that would be low enough
37 ThirtyEcho : What would it do? It would get your hillbilly ass arrested, that's what, on a Federal charge. You'd spend every dime to your name on lawyers, be ridic
38 David L : But it would be another item checked off on the "to do" list.
39 Starlionblue : Lol ThirtyEcho. In St. Maarten?
40 KELPkid : Anyone who thinks American football should be played with 110 yards between the end zones needs their head examined, anyways Anyone up for a spring m
41 Starlionblue : How about beach volley? Use the girls' uniforms.
42 Bartonsayswhat : is that us in the uniforms, or actuall girls, because if its the latter, i'm there. actually, either way i'm there, but if its the first one, i'll ke
43 TWAL1011727 : I would think that the frozen turkey test would tear an engine apart.....but it doesn't. So I would think a relatively soft football would be mince m
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