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Who Would You Rather Have Flying?  
User currently offlineKsbd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Lets say your a passenger stuck in coach during a transcontinental flight on an old L1011 and both pilots got really sick and passed out. Who would you rather have flying (you can only pick one)-

A) A Flight Attendant
B) A Flight Sim Geek
C) A A & P mechanic
D) A school teacher that flys RC airplanes on the weekends
E) A 12 year old kid with an IQ of 250
F) A retired Navy pilot who has cataracts and a stoma
G) A retired Army pilot who only flew helicopters (good health)
F) An astronaut monkey
H) An aeronautical professor with no pilot certificates
I) A dispatcher
J) A TRACON controller
K) A CFI with a migrane and a hernia

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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Me. So, I suppose that would qualify as B.


Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
Lets say your a passenger stuck in coach during a transcontinental flight on an old L1011 and both pilots got really sick and passed out



I would have to say C. the mechanic, since I'm a mechanic. But what happened to the 65 year old flight engineer that is nursing a hang over. From being out at the Jet Strip all night.

David

[Edited 2008-07-20 15:27:36]

[Edited 2008-07-20 15:28:40]


Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Non of the above.

I would like the Flight engineer since most of the time young FEs had either a type rating or flew the plane in the sim  Wink


User currently offlineN6238P From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

I'd go with F, get the monkey to push the nose over and end things quick.

I'd rather die in a 50 foot deep crater than die slowly in a post crash fire when the flightsim geek slides the plane through the approach lights.



To actively root against anybody is just low, and I hope karma comes back at you with a vengeance
User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3746 times:



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
Who would you rather have flying



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
F) A retired Navy pilot who has cataracts and a stoma

Navy pilots can hit a carrier in the dark...even with cataracts I'm betting they can hit a lit and stationary airport. And the stoma isn't going to affect their ability to fly.

Tom.


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

What about Ted Striker??????? isn't he flying the plane?

[Edited 2008-07-20 17:17:45]


Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2401 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 6):
What about Ted Striker??????? isn't he flying the plane?

No, no, no...




KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
User currently offlineKSBD From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

I was going to add

L) Disgruntled ex-TWA pilot


I would rather take the monkey!


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3617 times:



Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
C) A A & P mechanic

For this L1011 scenario, I pick C the mech.

Now if it were something newer (90s+), like a 737NG or A320, then I'd pick B, the flight sim geek.


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

I'd also pick C as they probably have sim experience, and they will know about and where to find most of the systems that control will ask them to use to autoland if possible.

Anyone except the FS geek, have you seen the quality of FSX multiplayer landings???


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7113 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I'd fly it myself. Yes, I only have single engine experience, but I did successfully fly a KC-135 simulator to a good landing (which the instructor said few single engine pilots did the first time) so I figure with the help of a pilot on the ground I could get it on the ground in one piece.


The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

This is ridiculous. It's SO outrageous, that it almost belongs in the non-av forum. Except that it deals with airplanes.

All that said, pick C. Because I'm a mechanic, and I have enough training from Boeing (excuse me, ALTEON!!!) to feel confident with the aircraft... in an emergency.
Not to mention, I'm run and taxi qualified, to handling the airplane after landing would be a non issue, and I assume most other mechs are similarly capable.

So yeah, C, A&P.


User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 440 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Otto's obviously the first choice, but I'd have to say the Flight Sim Geek.

Or at least one who isn't still using Flight Sim '98.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Well in this particular case, I would go with any pilots on board who are non-reving or something, and if thats not possible then the flight engineer, and if thats not possible then the mechanic. But of course they would all be there to guide Ted, as we all know Ted Striker is the guy to fly...


CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

How about

L. An aDOTnetter who would fly around looking for a conveyor belt to land it on, and run out of gas and have to stay up there?

Quoting Ksbd (Thread starter):
stuck in coach

Well, as I would prefer that I fly to any of the above, we are going to get a whole new meaning of "stuck" in coach. I mean I'd have to be superglued to the biffy door not to go up and take over.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

I'm kinda bummed no one has picked A, but that's only because I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too. After I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard.

As my first choice though I would pick C, those mechanics know the aircraft better than anyone, and between the two of us I'm 100% sure we would make it to the ground ok.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20335 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3113 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
This is ridiculous. It's SO outrageous, that it almost belongs in the non-av forum. Except that it deals with airplanes.

But a hell of a lot of fun, anyway! We aren't allowed to have fun here?

I'm having trouble with a blind navy pilot and a healthy sim geek...

There are two seats. Can't the navy dude fly and the geek spot?


User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Left seat- B (The flight sim geek)
Right seat- C (The mechanic)
Flight Engineer Desk- its a tossup between the controller and the dispatcher. The controller would be good for runnin the radios, the dispatcher would be good at lookin at the fuel loads.
I'd put Ted Stricker in the jumpseat to keep an eye on the oil pressure. Smile I'd then request a dumptruck to get as many lamps on the runway as possible. Finally I'd request to have a Budwiser truck at the ready. Ya never know what you'll need.



Bring back Western Airlines!
User currently offlineKris From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 18):
Finally I'd request to have a Budwiser truck at the ready. Ya never know what you'll need.

That and a truck full of fresh underwear.....


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3048 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 16):
I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too

Surely you can't be serious!


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Well after many years as a F/E I think I would go for him as my first choice, as he not only knows the aircraft technically , but has also been involved with the flight operation of that particular aircraft. He also will as a monitoring function have got used to the speed side of the aircraft such as flap, gear etc, and in many cases will have done regular training sessions in the sim as pilot flying the aircraft, and many especially in the USA will have some pilot qualifications.

The ideal combination would be the F/E in one pilot seat, and if there was one on board a pilot in the other seat, by this I mean a multi engine jet pilot ideally. The F/E could instruct on that particular a/c's requirements such as speed and rates of descent, whilst the pilot could use his tactile skills and experience to pole the thing around, especially in that last 200ft above the ground when every thing seems to get fast and tight  scared 

I always remember a pilot instructor saying to me , you F/Es make very good flight director pilots, but it always seem to start getting a bit hairy at around 100/200ft when you look out the window at the runway, and feel you must just do a little visual correction.

Anyway those days are gone so a pilot and a mechanic would be a good combination

littlevc10


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Come on guys and girls, not enough people are picking the monkey, they have feelings too.  Big grin


you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3021 times:



Quoting LY744 (Reply 20):
Surely you can't be serious!

He is serious, and dont call him shirley!

I would pick I, for ME for dispatcher. It wouldn't be a perfect on profile on target speed approach, but I think I could get it on the deck and walk away from the landing, provided that I got no irregulars or abnormals during the approach...



Nobody screws you better than an airline job!
User currently offlineBWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Personally, I'd hope for the mechanic (preferably one who's taxi/run qualified). An F/E would be my next-best option.

In the absence of any qualified people, I'd offer to do it myself: I may not have any real-world flight experience, but I think that I know enough about what makes planes fly to at least get it on the ground. It would definately be helpful to have a filght sim geek in the right seat, simply to do tasks like tuning radios and such.



Regards, Brad Williams
25 Nws2002 : Semi-serious, I did say "after I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard". I'm pretty sure I co
26 BWilliams : That's my whole line of thinking: Some random Joe off the street with no idea on how to fly would most likely not be able to get back to an airport a
27 Flexo : I'm surprised no one picked Someone who can safely fly helicopters, which are much harder to control, should be able to fly almost anything. At the ve
28 FLY2HMO : I'd rather be flying. I am *technically* type rated in a 737, plus I got my commercial license, multi, single, instrument, etc... But if all this happ
29 Higgi91 : id pick the flightsim geek (me :P ) nowadays with the realistic handling and complex systems of such add-ons like PMDG and WILCO personally I think I
30 Post contains images Hotelmode : G no question. Most heli pilots (all in military over here) have flown fixed wing. Theyll understand the avionics and have the spatial awareness to do
31 YULYMX : F and G one to the right and one to the left
32 SlamClick : Sorry, they'll have to be "M" as "L" was used in reply #15 As a serious answer to an absurd question (not that there's anything wrong with that) I'd
33 IAHFLYR : The last part of this is probably correct.....you surely will come across solid ground or maybe water. Other than that, I'm thinking you'd best be ki
34 BAe146QT : I'll second that, as long as the helos (s)he piloted were turbine. Speaking as someone one who has never flown a jet... I'd like to think that anyone
35 BAe146QT : I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
36 Jetlagged : As a sim engineer I'd have to agree with Hotelmode that that option should be added. Sim technicians would have an even better chance since they have
37 GRZ-AIR : ..will result in crash due to bad CRM. Now, for all you pc flight sim experts that truly believe you could operate, fly and land a couple hundred ton
38 Lowrider : Always pick the monkey. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
39 AA388 : that or a giant fan so you dont need a runway lol. -max
40 MissedApproach : You know, if that FA had gotten onto the flight deck of the Helios 737, we'd have a case study to base that on, one way or the other. He also had som
41 Jetlagged : He did get into the flightdeck though, but was probably too confused by then to do anything. He was a PPL training to be a pilot with the airline. So
42 AAH732UAL : No, he was a commercial pilot who was going to put in for a pilot spot soon at the airline. He knew the 737 sorta well enough to land according to th
43 Jetlagged : My understanding was he was under training. According to wiki he had 260-270 hours, but it doesn't say on what type. In theory he could have controll
44 SEPilot : And a total lack of it is even more dangerous.
45 Lowrider : But at least the monkey will be more entertaining.
46 HAWK21M : Personally I would,unless I find someone better. If the A&P mechanic is qualified on that type then def,else the helicopter pilot followed by the simu
47 AAH732UAL : I will trust the offical crash report over wiki
48 Bond007 : I'm not sure I'd pick anyone who hadn't flown an aircraft before ... real or sim. Not 100% sure about rotary-wing pilots. I know at least 2 helicopter
49 Jetlagged : I couldn't find the official crash report, but everything else I've read indicates the F/A was training to fly transport category aircraft. What does
50 Post contains links LY744 : Is there more than one official crash report? Because the one I read only says he held a British CPL. Considering he was barely conscious and only en
51 BAe146QT : I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
52 Flexo : We should get Myth Busters to try this in a sim. Just needs 900+ posts here for them to get our attention! So keep on posting! Not sure how they would
53 2H4 : So does this include UAV operators? Virgin Galactic and a pile of money. 2H4
54 BAe146QT : Ah, but I'm not for a minute suggesting that normal CRM procedures are even contemplated as such. 1) Army helo driver flies and keeps his eyes (mainl
55 WESTERN737800 : Maybe we should throw the folks from the Dukes Of Hazzard in the mix. Those guys flew the General Lee through the air countless times and almost alway
56 2H4 : If we're including television personalities, then the answer is Chuck Norris and this thread can be locked. 2H4
57 BAe146QT : I agree. You, sir, have won the internet. (Are you a fellow B3tan?)
58 AAH732UAL : Exactly what I said above minus the accroynm
59 LY744 : ...minus the flight hour reference and the 737 familiarity. LY744.
60 Post contains links MissedApproach : They sort of did already. They did a show with Adam in a sim...which he crashed. Then they had a qualified pilot talk him through a landing over the
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