Ksbd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
Lets say your a passenger stuck in coach during a transcontinental flight on an old L1011 and both pilots got really sick and passed out. Who would you rather have flying (you can only pick one)-
A) A Flight Attendant
B) A Flight Sim Geek
C) A A & P mechanic
D) A school teacher that flys RC airplanes on the weekends
E) A 12 year old kid with an IQ of 250
F) A retired Navy pilot who has cataracts and a stoma
G) A retired Army pilot who only flew helicopters (good health)
F) An astronaut monkey
H) An aeronautical professor with no pilot certificates
I) A dispatcher
J) A TRACON controller
K) A CFI with a migrane and a hernia
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6637 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
I'd fly it myself. Yes, I only have single engine experience, but I did successfully fly a KC-135 simulator to a good landing (which the instructor said few single engine pilots did the first time) so I figure with the help of a pilot on the ground I could get it on the ground in one piece.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5628 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
This is ridiculous. It's SO outrageous, that it almost belongs in the non-av forum. Except that it deals with airplanes.
All that said, pick C. Because I'm a mechanic, and I have enough training from Boeing (excuse me, ALTEON!!!) to feel confident with the aircraft... in an emergency.
Not to mention, I'm run and taxi qualified, to handling the airplane after landing would be a non issue, and I assume most other mechs are similarly capable.
CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
Well in this particular case, I would go with any pilots on board who are non-reving or something, and if thats not possible then the flight engineer, and if thats not possible then the mechanic. But of course they would all be there to guide Ted, as we all know Ted Striker is the guy to fly...
Nws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
I'm kinda bummed no one has picked A, but that's only because I'm pretty sure as a FA I could land the airplane if I had too. After I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard.
As my first choice though I would pick C, those mechanics know the aircraft better than anyone, and between the two of us I'm 100% sure we would make it to the ground ok.
WESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 691 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2950 times:
Left seat- B (The flight sim geek)
Right seat- C (The mechanic)
Flight Engineer Desk- its a tossup between the controller and the dispatcher. The controller would be good for runnin the radios, the dispatcher would be good at lookin at the fuel loads.
I'd put Ted Stricker in the jumpseat to keep an eye on the oil pressure. I'd then request a dumptruck to get as many lamps on the runway as possible. Finally I'd request to have a Budwiser truck at the ready. Ya never know what you'll need.
VC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
Well after many years as a F/E I think I would go for him as my first choice, as he not only knows the aircraft technically , but has also been involved with the flight operation of that particular aircraft. He also will as a monitoring function have got used to the speed side of the aircraft such as flap, gear etc, and in many cases will have done regular training sessions in the sim as pilot flying the aircraft, and many especially in the USA will have some pilot qualifications.
The ideal combination would be the F/E in one pilot seat, and if there was one on board a pilot in the other seat, by this I mean a multi engine jet pilot ideally. The F/E could instruct on that particular a/c's requirements such as speed and rates of descent, whilst the pilot could use his tactile skills and experience to pole the thing around, especially in that last 200ft above the ground when every thing seems to get fast and tight
I always remember a pilot instructor saying to me , you F/Es make very good flight director pilots, but it always seem to start getting a bit hairy at around 100/200ft when you look out the window at the runway, and feel you must just do a little visual correction.
Anyway those days are gone so a pilot and a mechanic would be a good combination
I would pick I, for ME for dispatcher. It wouldn't be a perfect on profile on target speed approach, but I think I could get it on the deck and walk away from the landing, provided that I got no irregulars or abnormals during the approach...
BWilliams From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Personally, I'd hope for the mechanic (preferably one who's taxi/run qualified). An F/E would be my next-best option.
In the absence of any qualified people, I'd offer to do it myself: I may not have any real-world flight experience, but I think that I know enough about what makes planes fly to at least get it on the ground. It would definately be helpful to have a filght sim geek in the right seat, simply to do tasks like tuning radios and such.
Regards, Brad Williams
: Semi-serious, I did say "after I had exhausted all other resources of course, and no other more appropriate person was onboard". I'm pretty sure I co
: That's my whole line of thinking: Some random Joe off the street with no idea on how to fly would most likely not be able to get back to an airport a
: I'm surprised no one picked Someone who can safely fly helicopters, which are much harder to control, should be able to fly almost anything. At the ve
: I'd rather be flying. I am *technically* type rated in a 737, plus I got my commercial license, multi, single, instrument, etc... But if all this happ
: id pick the flightsim geek (me :P ) nowadays with the realistic handling and complex systems of such add-ons like PMDG and WILCO personally I think I
: G no question. Most heli pilots (all in military over here) have flown fixed wing. Theyll understand the avionics and have the spatial awareness to do
: F and G one to the right and one to the left
: Sorry, they'll have to be "M" as "L" was used in reply #15 As a serious answer to an absurd question (not that there's anything wrong with that) I'd
: The last part of this is probably correct.....you surely will come across solid ground or maybe water. Other than that, I'm thinking you'd best be ki
: I'll second that, as long as the helos (s)he piloted were turbine. Speaking as someone one who has never flown a jet... I'd like to think that anyone
: I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
: As a sim engineer I'd have to agree with Hotelmode that that option should be added. Sim technicians would have an even better chance since they have
: ..will result in crash due to bad CRM. Now, for all you pc flight sim experts that truly believe you could operate, fly and land a couple hundred ton
: Always pick the monkey. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
: that or a giant fan so you dont need a runway lol. -max
: You know, if that FA had gotten onto the flight deck of the Helios 737, we'd have a case study to base that on, one way or the other. He also had som
: He did get into the flightdeck though, but was probably too confused by then to do anything. He was a PPL training to be a pilot with the airline. So
: No, he was a commercial pilot who was going to put in for a pilot spot soon at the airline. He knew the 737 sorta well enough to land according to th
: My understanding was he was under training. According to wiki he had 260-270 hours, but it doesn't say on what type. In theory he could have controll
: And a total lack of it is even more dangerous.
: But at least the monkey will be more entertaining.
: Personally I would,unless I find someone better. If the A&P mechanic is qualified on that type then def,else the helicopter pilot followed by the simu
: I will trust the offical crash report over wiki
: I'm not sure I'd pick anyone who hadn't flown an aircraft before ... real or sim. Not 100% sure about rotary-wing pilots. I know at least 2 helicopter
: I couldn't find the official crash report, but everything else I've read indicates the F/A was training to fly transport category aircraft. What does
: Is there more than one official crash report? Because the one I read only says he held a British CPL. Considering he was barely conscious and only en
: I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
: We should get Myth Busters to try this in a sim. Just needs 900+ posts here for them to get our attention! So keep on posting! Not sure how they would
: So does this include UAV operators? Virgin Galactic and a pile of money. 2H4
: Ah, but I'm not for a minute suggesting that normal CRM procedures are even contemplated as such. 1) Army helo driver flies and keeps his eyes (mainl
: Maybe we should throw the folks from the Dukes Of Hazzard in the mix. Those guys flew the General Lee through the air countless times and almost alway
: If we're including television personalities, then the answer is Chuck Norris and this thread can be locked. 2H4
: I agree. You, sir, have won the internet. (Are you a fellow B3tan?)
: Exactly what I said above minus the accroynm
: ...minus the flight hour reference and the 737 familiarity. LY744.
: They sort of did already. They did a show with Adam in a sim...which he crashed. Then they had a qualified pilot talk him through a landing over the