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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

Time to vent.

The other day I had a 757 come in with a couple write ups. Most of the write ups where no brainers, (tray tables and reading lights). But the airplane came if with a N/G disagree status message and a 3 knob throttle split on climb out. The two mechanics assigned to work the airplane took care of the check and the no brainers, while I looked up the message and information on what to do with the throttle split. Per the BFIM the N/G status message was okay for service since it happened during taxi in. I looking in the BFIM and the MM for the throttle split, I wasn't able to pin point the problem so I talked with tech services and they instructed us what to do. After bite checking the EEC and the BVCU we found no faults, tech services then instructed us to do a full power engine run so we can see if we had a leak in the PT2 system giving us a EPR split.

I went out and ran the engines and 5K of fuel later we found nothing, the engines went up like they where controlled by one lever, NO SPLIT, probe heat on or off, engine anti ice on or off, bleeds on or off, NO SPLIT, No faults with the ADC's and the TMC's so I signed off the airplane and returned it to service.

I gave the pilot the log book and he made a remark accusing me of pencil whipping the airplane. Now that pissed me off, I have NEVER pencil whipped an airplane to get it out of town. I have no problem grounding an airplane if it is not right.

Anyway...... Have any of you technicians or engineers had any pilots accuse you of pencil whipping an airplane, When you return an airplane to service after no faults where found??

David

[Edited 2008-08-19 18:39:12]


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9313 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
Anyway...... Have any of you technicians or engineers had any pilots accuse you of pencil whipping an airplane, When you return an airplane to service after no faults where found??

If you ran the engines and no fault found was found, how can that be considered pencil whipping. If you had not ran the engine and signed it off that would be "pencil whipping" the problem.

I once flew from California to Ireland to check out a flight controls problem. After two days of trouble shooting I could not find a fault. The only thing the pilot asked is that I fly with him on the next flight. Which I did and the problem did not reappear.


User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

My grand father always told me this, "There are more horses a##es in this world than there are horses." You just happen to run into one that nite.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

There are a couple pilots and a couple mechanics that make it bad for everyone.

At my airline, 99% of the time, our mechanics do a completely exceptional job. I'm very proud of our maintenance team. But, every once in a while, something pretty serious happens to us or something seems pretty busted and we get nothing but a 15 second check and a signoff saying its working fine... even if it was obviously broken and written up multiple times before. Then you have the one pilot who gets really really bent out of shape encounter this one mechanic at some point that pencil-whips stuff and from that day forth, that mechanic and that pilot both think the other employee groups are a bunch of idiots.

I wouldn't take any of it personally. Us pilots have all eyes staring at us (just as you mechanics do) and we have to cover ourselves. Plus, its our lives on the line when something goes wrong and some people get pretty distraught when they feel like they're not being taken seriously. All in all though, aside from the few and far between bad apples, its usually just a case of lack of information being shared... the pilots probably had no clue that you went through such an extensive test process before signing it off and you may not have any clue as to how broken the pilot felt the airplane was and how much it affected the flight. Couple that with a bad attitude from previous experiences and people walk away unhappy.


User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9265 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 3):
There are a couple pilots and a couple mechanics that make it bad for everyone.

I whole heartedly agree with this statement..We had an a/c (I will not mention stations or names) that a double block turnback for a takeoff warning problem. It was just out of check so it was a ferry crew taking it back. We do not have mx at this station so an MX guy from another station drove to the affected station. Well he checked out the system from A to Z and no trouble found.( this a/c also had no history for this problem) So he called the crew back to the a/c from the hotel and told them the score.( the MX was friends with the crew).Well they finally fessed up that they had no problem and wanted to stay in town for whatever reason..Now this really pissed me off I had to do a lot of work not to mention costing the company money. I almost pondered going up the chain of command to get these pilots repremaned at the very least but in the end it would have been hard to prove and I got over it before the end of my shift..But you are right both pilots and mechanics are guilty of doing stupid things.



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9209 times:

May 21, 2003 - N.C. Crash Investigators Eye Maintenance

WASHINGTON (USA) - Safety investigators zeroed in Tuesday on airplane maintenance by outside contractors at a hearing into the cause of the plane crash that killed 21 people in Charlotte, North Carolina, on Jan. 8.


After such a case can you really blame the pilots....


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9202 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
I gave the pilot the log book and he made a remark accusing me of pencil whipping the airplane

What did you tell him after that comment.
I guess the pilot does not know you well,If he had looked at the records,the Fuel consumed for the High power run would have told him something & if the job was not done properly,it would have reoccured & the next halt would have been inked in the PDR,no AME would want that.

I guess it depends on the individual concerned.

What I'm trying to figure out is what caused the throttle stagger reported earlier.I suggest check the lines to the EPR Tx,I won't be surprised if you find some blockage.

Was there any further update on that Aircraft later on?

regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

What is throttle stagger?

User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Quoting AcNDTTech (Reply 7):
What is throttle stagger?

Throttle stagger is a misalignment in the throttles with the engine readings matched, Most airplanes allow you to have a 3/4 knob split.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Middl...C_&prev_id=0186897&next_id=0177762

MEL if we had a blocked EPR line it would have shown up during the engine run, we would not have gotten a increase in EPR with the engine spooling up.

I'm going back to work tonight and first thing I'm looking up is my pencil whipped airplane. LOL

David

[Edited 2008-08-20 03:48:50]


Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5657 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

When one of my folks' integrity is challenged by the flight crew, I call the flight crew management type and pull the mechanic from the aircraft. Our work is done. The flight crew has a clean, legal logbook. Bye-bye.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9150 times:
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Quoting AcNDTTech (Reply 7):
What is throttle stagger?

I figured that one out, what is pencil whipped?



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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17178 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9131 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 10):

I figured that one out, what is pencil whipped?

My understanding (entirely from this thread) is that instead of actually fixing/diagnose the problem, the mechanics do some fancy paperwork to make it seem like the problem is fixed/diagnosed.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineMastropiero From Spain, joined Dec 2005, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9127 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):

My understanding (entirely from this thread) is that instead of actually fixing/diagnose the problem, the mechanics do some fancy paperwork to make it seem like the problem is fixed/diagnosed.

That is what I understand too. I have a question about the throttle missalignment: when you pull back the throttles to idle, taking as an example the picture Boeing767mech posted, all four levers will go alll the way back, or will they stay in the same position? Asuming all four go back all the way, that will mean that when pushing them forward to take off power there will be a slight difference between the power each engines provides. Is it noticeable, or it is neglectable at take off and only when cruising the crew decides to fiddle with the levers untilll all four engines have the same reding?

Thanks.
 Smile


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
My understanding (entirely from this thread) is that instead of actually fixing/diagnose the problem, the mechanics do some fancy paperwork to make it seem like the problem is fixed/diagnosed.

You must be the pilot I talked to. We and I troubleshot the write up to the letter of the maintainence manual, we also contacted tech services for there advice and guidance on the problem since I don't know everything. So with the information we where given and all the checks and engine runs we did there was no problem, the throttles where matched, or did you miss this statment

Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
I went out and ran the engines and 5K of fuel later we found nothing, the engines went up like they where controlled by one lever, NO SPLIT, probe heat on or off, engine anti ice on or off, bleeds on or off, NO SPLIT, No faults with the ADC's and the TMC's so I signed off the airplane and returned it to service

David



Never under-estimate the predictably of stupidty
User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17178 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9111 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
You must be the pilot I talked to.

 rotfl  I could be him. Does he get laid a lot?  Wink



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

If a captain verbally accused me of whipping that, I'd be all over him. In my younger days I'd just cough in his direction (give him the "asshole" cough). Now that I'm a big boy....notice I didn't say grown up or mature......I'd humiliate him in front of his F/O. Not necessarily the right thing to do, but I give people too much respect to have someone come back at me like that.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9082 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
I gave the pilot the log book and he made a remark accusing me of pencil whipping the airplane. Now that pissed me off, I have NEVER pencil whipped an airplane to get it out of town. I have no problem grounding an airplane if it is not right.

I'm genuinely sorry that a pilot treated you that way. I will say that I HAVE seen MX pencil whipped at several operators, as have most people who have been around a while, but it always has stood out like a sore thumb and is obviously absent here.

There are problem pilots and problem mechanics, just like in every other profession: I apologize on behalf of my profession for the lack of professionalism from the flight crew. Please realize that the vast majority of us both respect and appreciate what you do.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Boeing767mech:

Not worry about the pilots comments, I can guarantee that most pilots know a lot less about how the aircraft actually works than most mechanics.

His job is to drive the plane, yours is to repair it. As long as you didn't make any remarks in the log book that the pilot who wrote up the problem didn't know what is was doing, there is no reason that a pilot should criticize your corrective action.

You are both professionals and in my opinion for him to question your actions, before he had actually flown the aircraft verifying either the problem still existed or was corrected, was very un-professional.


User currently onlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9045 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
Was there any further update on that Aircraft later on?

MEL, a question mark???



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9036 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
Anyway...... Have any of you technicians or engineers had any pilots accuse you of pencil whipping an airplane, When you return an airplane to service after no faults where found??

I have never been acccused of pencil whiping by a flightcrew, but I have had a flight crew tell me to (and I quote) "Just pencil whip it to get us out of here... That is what you do, is it not?" That pilot was having a bad day and wanted to get the heck out of SEA.

Boeing767mech, I have had several issues come up with our aircraft that I have ops checked the hell out of, and could not find anything wrong, and signed it off. The airplane flys fine for a day or so, then the original problem comes back... It actually happened to me a few weeks ago. One of our planes pulled back into the gate after engine start because the fuel inlet temp on the #2 engine was spiked in the red. I go out there, run the aircraft, found no issues, open the cowl, clean the cannon plug, and run it again, still no issues. I signed the plane off for return to service. The same crew boards the plane to take it out, the pax load, and the plane pushes back again. This time the got out to the runway when the problem came back. I get sent back out to the airplane, and get scolding looks from the captain, who tells me "I thought you fixed it?" When I told him what I saw last time, he just sat and glared at me...

We have a challenging job at times, but I do love it!!!

Kris



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9025 times:



Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 19):
The airplane flys fine for a day or so, then the original problem comes back... It actually happened to me a few weeks ago.

After three (3) sectors (flights) without a re-ocurrance we considered the problem fixed.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9019 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Thread starter):
I gave the pilot the log book and he made a remark accusing me of pencil whipping the airplane.

I think I'd have made an issue of it then and there. I think I'd have taken back the logbook and told the pilot that in view of the fact that he did not have confidence in the maitenance performed it was clearly a matter to be settled between supervisors - yours and his.

I'm sure you'd have had an instant apology from him.

If not, then the subsequent delay was on him and him alone because he made a judgement (the mx was not proper) that he was not remotely qualified to make even if he had an A&P.

Despite the complete truth of this...

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 3):
There are a couple pilots and a couple mechanics that make it bad for everyone.

...I think the knothead would have realized that he'd impugned the reputation of a licensed professional whose career depends in large part on his reputation. He was way out of line and he should have known it.

I'm very proud of my ATP and the things I had to learn and accomplish to get it. I'm similarly proud of my dispatcher license and experience. But I'll tell you what I'm not - I'm not a mechanic.

I've seen unsatisfying writeoffs for a logbook squawk, who hasn't? But we all know, sometimes the troubleshooting is not that straighforward. "Intermittent" squawks can be frustrating. I've even seen flight control anomalies that defied solution for weeks despite some very determined maintenance efforts.

In my opinion the guy was out of line. In my experience the chief pilot would side with maintenance so long as the procedures performed were those called for by the writeup. And I've worked for a lot of chief pilots.



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User currently offlineEx52tech From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9014 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 17):
Not worry about the pilots comments, I can guarantee that most pilots know a lot less about how the aircraft actually works than most mechanics.

I could not have said that better myself, and I have said something to that effect to more than one pilot over the years. That pilot showed you exactly how much he didn't know about the system by making that statement.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8956 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 8):

Throttle stagger is a misalignment in the throttles with the engine readings matched, Most airplanes allow you to have a 3/4 knob split.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Middl...77762

Just wondering, why is this tolerated on older "legacy" planes. Do the throttles get out of alignment easily/frequently, or is it too complicated to rig them each time they come out of alignment?



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8930 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 8):
MEL if we had a blocked EPR line it would have shown up during the engine run, we would not have gotten a increase in EPR with the engine spooling up.

Trust me I've seen a snag on the RB211-535C that had an EPR split only sometimes in Air & on Ground it was fine.If the EPRs were matched,The Lower EPR side had all parameters high.If N1 was matched ,both sides patameters were equal except EPR low on the faulty side.
It took the cleaning of the line & Three EPR Tx to solve it.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 18):
MEL, a question mark???

Damn.....sorry....Bad habit....heres compensation ???
regds
MEL...



Think of the brighter side!
25 Post contains links 474218 : Throttle stagger is not limited "legacy" planes. Addtionally, its not only a case of the system getting out of rig, it may be an internal problem wit
26 AcNDTTech : Could this happen in a FADEC equipped aircraft?
27 IAirAllie : I don't think he missed the statement but you certainly missed the fact that Starlionblue was defining pencil whipping for someone who asked what it
28 474218 : The exact opposite can be said for the mechanic, all he has to go on is the pilots write up that the throttles required staggering to keep the engine
29 IAirAllie : How about not get pissed off at the pilot for needing reassurance that they examined the problem properly and a little patience to explain what was d
30 Fr8Mech : Our industry is one of trust. Mechanics trust that the mechanic prior to him did his job correctly. Pilots trust that all the mechanics that have wor
31 474218 : I don't know since I have never worked on a FADEC equipped aircraft. However, if I was to venture a guess I would say the yes it could on one manufac
32 AirPortugal310 : But they should. If the OP had (and i dont know that he didnt) then there would have been no comment. Its hard to explain "a pencil whipping" when al
33 IAirAllie : This is a very dangerous attitude. Complacency. Sometimes people screw up, don't do their job properly, or don't take a valid concern seriously. If w
34 Aogdesk : What you're saying isn't unreasonable, but you're making the assumption (and very likely an incorrect assumption) that the pilot in question showed a
35 Stratosphere : I have never seen it in a FADEC aircraft.
36 Stratosphere : You hit the nail right on the head on that one Aogdesk. I have always found that the mechanics get very little respect. I suppose we ask for it in a
37 IAirAllie : It doesn't matter how the pilot behaved the mechanics response should have been the same. Why lower yourself to his level if he is being rude. A prof
38 Fr8mech : You know, I don't know what the corrective action block stated, but I'm going to guess it said something like "Performed BIT check of BVCU and EEC IA
39 Bartonsayswhat : I always figured he was talking about Umpires and Refferees. More than one of the parks i have umpired at had sign saying "Rodney Dangerfield lives h
40 HAWK21M : The pilot as a professional needs to trust the Rectification entry in the PDR,or request for details from the mechanic if curious.....But by presumin
41 Boeing767mech : So this is time for me to eat crow....... But first let me review what happened so there is no confusion. We had a 757 fly in with a write up for a No
42 A10WARTHOG : Personally I do not believe anybody needs to flame you at all. You did all you could do, with the information you where given and found nothing wrong
43 Aogdesk : IAirAllie, again, I certainly can't say that you're wrong by any stretch of the imagination, and as a guy who really loves this industry, I think its
44 SlamClick : It happens. Sometimes a problem will defy all the usual solutions. You inspect, you research, you test and everything is proper. You cannot duplicate
45 BAe146QT : You might arguably say that the line between the two is a very fine one indeed. I seem to remember hearing this story before from you - wasn't it a B
46 HAWK21M : What was SEI EPR reading.If it was selected. After you did all that,there was no need for the Pilots smart comment. After it was borescoped & found o
47 IAirAllie : Which happens. I've had mechanics doubt what I've said as I am just a lowly FA. When they do this I walk back with them and show them exactly what I
48 Aogdesk : But seeing the look on a cocky captains face when you shove it right back at him is infinitely more fun........... We'll be professional 99.9% of the
49 Fr8Mech : Minor thread detour warning: I don't buy it. The engine may have internal issue, but if those issues caused the throttle stagger you would also see a
50 TristarSteve : Just read through the whole thread and I don't buy the compressor damage either. If everything was normal on ground runs, but EPR defect reoccured at
51 Stratosphere : Thats cool..I know at brand "X" you guys most likely all know each other pilots, MX, F/A's..etc.. Even though you fly the large jets for the most par
52 HAWK21M : There are Bad apples in all Department...One needs to filter them out. I too don't believe the Compressor damage explaination.Why wouldn't it be dupl
53 LASOctoberB6 : And for a good reason! Wow, there really is a lot to learn. I can't wait! And I still don't exactly understand why they call it pencil whipping..
54 Boeing767mech : Pencil whipping, throwing ink at it, or various other terms is when you sign for a item or write up without even working the item. This is falsificat
55 VC-10 : Now I haven't read the whole of this thread so I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but what appears to have been overlooked is the fact
56 MD11Engineer : Or you wait until the intermittent, in flight only, problem becomes a hard fault, which can be traced and troublweshot on the ground. One problem I s
57 BAe146QT : I think that might actually be a key point. Any component might pass a ground check - and it might even do so if it's still 'in circuit' with other s
58 Tdscanuck : It comes from watching someone do a checklist in this manner. If you're actually doing a checklist, you pause at each step to check the actual item b
59 HAWK21M : True....A good rappot between Flt ops & Mx is very good for the Airline. Scheduled Daily briefs between the Dept heads helps too. regds MEL
60 MD11Engineer : I was thinking more about regulations in some airlines, which require lots of paperwork and permissions from superiors to allow an AME to fly on a pl
61 HAWK21M : Was this a scheduled Pax flight.I know it can be done.But is it regulatorywise permitted.I'm thinking in terms of a pax watching you open a few acces
62 MD11Engineer : I could have signed it off as "ground checks performed, no signs of smoke found, satis", but to calm down the crew I gagreed to go with them. For me
63 HAWK21M : Jan...Has it occured anytime that a Pax notices an AME working in Flight?....I guess the Galley curtains are handy camoflauge. regds MEL.
64 Lehpron : So it's a write-off then? How does one prove they didn't 'pencil whip' when accused? Do pilots know how to maintain their aircraft as maintenence doe
65 DC8FriendShip : No, because the levers are basically a remote control on a FADEC engine, you input what you want, and the FADEC decides the best way to get it. Hence
66 Tdscanuck : Essentially, yes. You can't, unless you've got supplementary paperwork that would have required doing something (a part tag, data from an engine run,
67 Valkyrie01 : Well i guess you could use fuel usage since the engine was run. I know at the company i work for we are require to record fuel on board after we do a
68 MD11Engineer : Sure, but if I do a five minute idle run on both engines on a 737NG for leak checks after A-check (replacement of various filters, chip detector insp
69 Valkyrie01 : Yeah you got a point i was thinking more about taking the airplane out to the block/run up pad for a full power run. At the airport i work at we are
70 SlamClick : Pencil-whipping, at least as I would define it is extremely rare in mainstream aviation. The bigger the company the more they have to lose. It may al
71 HAWK21M : Out here.Fuel consumed during Engine ground run/APU operation is needed to be logged at the end of the DI schedule. regds MEL
72 IAirAllie : Which is my point exactly. There is no need to get offended or let the bad apples drag you into something petty. It makes a huge difference in your Q
73 HAWK21M : How I work is.....Friendly & professional approach to those 99% that respond in same manner,Professional approach to those 1% that do not respond in
74 KBFIspotter : Well, I had said earlier that I have never been accused of pencil whipping, well, I just remembered a pilot from a few months ago: I got called out to
75 S5LineATL : I have seen a throttle split on a FADEC equipped A/C. The A/C had about a three knob split which ended up being a faulty throttle quadrant. To give y
76 777WT : Yes I have seen throttle spilt in a ERJ-145 before....a reset of both FADEC's fixed it. Only once it happened, haven't seen it again. On the other han
77 HAWK21M : It is true.....That the Mx folks that stick to the rules are not the popular guys regds MEL
78 MD11Engineer : It is surprising what aircraft flight crews oftenm accept when they are on their way home compared on their way away from base. We have many small st
79 Dougloid : Well, my experience as a mech is a little dated but a lot of the time it's something that the pilot saw that may not ever repeat itself. You can unde
80 HAWK21M : Thats not right & should not be done......a snag is a snag when it occurs...such bad apples should be straightened. regds MEL
81 Delcoder : I think some of the problem stems from faults detected in the air that cannot be duplicated on the ground. Further, the MM checkout procedure will not
82 Typhaerion : There is definitely a fine line. I have a bit of a unique perception on all of this, being a Reliability Engineer. There are several really important
83 HAWK21M : Does a Daily meet between Flt ops & Mx HODs form an SOP. It would help streamline the errors. regds MEL
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